• Room at halfwind Mark - 3 boat cluster rounding
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  Gijs Vlas Yesterday 11:27
• Appeals - Reduction in times for submitting and responding to Appeals
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  John Allan Yesterday 00:59
• List of RRS by number and title
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  John Allan Mon 22:48
• Some hypotheticals about the new Room to Tack hailing requirement
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  Dan Falcon Fri 04:00
• Thumbs gone, Wind Tips are here
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  Angelo Guarino 25-Jun-19 13:29

• Room at halfwind Mark - 3 boat cluster rounding
  The key question here is did Yellow give Orange space to comply with her obligations including space to give Green mark-room as Yellow is required to do under RRS 16.1
  
  From the diagram, I would have said yes, but from the testimony, I am less certain

  • In the diagram, the turn that yellow makes begins at 2.6, while Orange does not begin turning until 3.6
  • in the testimony, the turn is described as "sudden" however, there is no description of how Orange steers.
  • in the testimony, I note that yellow turns at 3, but that Orange is still clear astern at 3.5 when Green reaches the zone clear ahead.
  • It is also stated that there was time to pull in the sail (manual sheeting), but there does not seem to have been as much effort to put the helm to leeward

  
  -Since I don't know the boats, I would need to determine whether it is harder to steer than to sheet in.
  -I would also ask if Yellow might need to swing wide (to windward) in order to sail her proper course to the mark, given the lumbering nature of the boats?
  
  Regardless of the outcome of this case, I would recommend to the Orange boat, that the new rules allow clear-ahead boats to really take lots of room and time while rounding offset marks. I personally believe it is a serious rules problem. However, given the rules, as a clear-astern boat, I would want to be going behind, outside, and possibly slow any time I'm following a clear-ahead boat into that mark-zone... and this might need to start at 4 or 5 boat-length in order to have enough room to maneuver a big boat.
  
  Summary of facts and conclusions:

  1. Y is leeward and inside and/or clear ahead at the zone: has mark-room and ROW. May exercise both rights. Must comply with 16.1 if sailing outside her mark-room
  2. G is clear ahead at the zone... has mark-room. Initially has ROW, but that changes once O is overlapped inside.
  3. Y changes course sharply to windward at 3
  4. O changes course slightly to windward at 3.6, while maintaining a fully trimmed sail and becomes overlapped with G shortly thereafter
  5. O does not give mark-room to G
  6. should we exonerate O based on sailing within her room given by 16.1?

  
  The more I think about this, the more I just don't understand how O was ever going to be able to give G mark-room if she wasn't already sailing behind G at point 3.5. She is keep-clear on both boats at that point, and also owes both mark-room... she should be allowing them more room to maneuver, including to slow down, and to take the long, slow turns that these boats require to round the marks in a seamanlike manner.
  Niko Kotsatos Yesterday 14:47
• Appeals - Reduction in times for submitting and responding to Appeals
  In the US we have replaced all of Appendix R.  In our version, the time limit has remained at 15 days.
  John Christman Yesterday 01:37
• Identifying the protestee.
  I agree with JohnA.
  
  'Identify' is quite clear and simple - let's not overthink it or try to conjure up work-arounds.
  
  "unambiguity, pinpointing and distinguishing, uniqueness and 'specification'"
  
  If a hearing request does not meet that requirement, its invalid. End of.
  
  Same goes for 'identifying the incident'. (But that's for another thread.)
  
  

  

  
  
  Oh, and no amending a request to meet those specifications after it's been submitted.  Submit a new one (preferably within the PTL), and withdraw the first one.
  
  Bye!
  Benjamin Harding Yesterday 01:15
• List of RRS by number and title
  Well... If someone needs a hand ,count me in! After all, they're super useful tools and can be very handy when judging or simply studying the RRS 😄
  Alessandro Berrone Tue 23:35
• Some hypotheticals about the new Room to Tack hailing requirement
  Jim ... yes the assumptions and some assertions in the submission are at odds with the Q&A. 
  
  This is a great reminder that neither submission-text nor Q&A's are authoritative and really smart and rules-knowledgeable folk can disagree on this stuff. 
  Angelo Guarino Tue 21:31

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