• Time limit in Handicap Racing
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  Martin Fraser Mon 20:47
• Three CV's on a long starting line
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  John Standley Mon 12:58
• Pondering Rule 3 - Are Race Officers and Organizing Authorities Over-Reaching?
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  Beau Vrolyk Mon 10:33
• Rule 18,2 (e) Reasonable Doubt
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  John Quirk 26-Jan-17 03:21
• When is an entry an entry?
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  Paul Kimmens 26-Jan-12 14:17

• Pondering Rule 3 - Are Race Officers and Organizing Authorities Over-Reaching?

  Ben What I said was that in no part of the RRS is there any explicit requirement to act on Safety as far as I can see.

  
  I think that may be because the WS drafters of the RRS, relying on RRS 3, want to avoid creating any contractual obligation for safety on the part of OA or Race Officials.
  
  

  Interestingly from the same paragraph as you quoted.. " There is therefore an implied duty of care in race management. In addition, the World Sailing Code of Behavior requires all race management personnel to be responsible for their actions concerning the safety and welfare of race participants."
  
  As I started out in this thread, the duty of care is really the only requirement to act on safety.

  
  Yes, the OA's and Race Officials obligations about safety arise from their duty of care in tort law.
  John Allan Today 12:03
• Three CV's on a long starting line
  I've also used this mid-line "guide" buoy. On the one hand it works. On the other hand, the less experienced sailors basically get penalized for using the guide, and it backfired the last race after all the coaches finally told their kids: "if you're not out past that buoy, then you're late!"
  Niko Kotsatos Thu 15:35
• Rule 18,2 (e) Reasonable Doubt
  Thanks  Bob and an acute or sharp pencil scenario at that, and I would be inclined to agree with you. As such, to my original point, the leaning on this scenrio would be that we do in fact have a third standard of proof for a PC to consider (for 18.2 (e) and APPENDIX F).
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  John Quirk Thu 09:54
• Mark-Room and Room to Pass an Obstruction who wins.
  What a great Christmas Bonbon you gave us Mark! It's a Cracker!
  
  There have been many incredibly insightful comments but no agreed conclusion.
  
  Personally I like Jim's recent summary of "Angelo's interpretation" as it appears to be the fairest interpretation.
  
  To me, the underlying problem appears to be that the rules themselves are not 'deterministic' in this and some other situations. Ultimately, the rules alone should be sufficient. Cases may help but they should not be required.
  
  
  David Taylor Thu 01:11
• Time limit in Handicap Racing
  At my Club we have solved this issue two ways.  Most of our distance random-leg races finish in front of the Clubhouse, between two pilings lined up with our "Finish Hut" on shore.
  
  For our weeknight series where we run five starts for eight Divisions in the 1830-1900 timeframe, we state that a boat in a starting class that finishes by 2100 makes the race valid for that starting class, and that boats finishing after 2100 shall take their own finish time and report it to the RC.  If no boat in a starting class finishes by 2100 then the race is abandoned for that class.  This allows our RC volunteers to know when their job is completed, without penalizing slow boats.
  
  Similarly for our regatta distance races, typically 20-25 nm, we state that there is no time limit, but the RC will stay on station (ashore) for five hours from the starting time.  Boats finishing later may take their own times and report it to the RC.   We implemented this about three years ago and have had no issues.
  Eric Robbins Wed 14:57

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