If someone commits a foul during the start sequence and is protested, they can clear it during the start sequence, correct? And if it's a fleet race they have to do so as soon as possible, correct? Conversely, if someone commits a foul on me during the start sequence and I don't protest it, do I still have the ability to make a protest when racing is concluded for the day, assuming I'm within the time limit for making a protest?
Assuming "in the start sequence" is after the preparatory signal (4 minutes in a standard rule 26 start), then yes, they have to do it in accordance with Rule 44.2 (after getting well clear of other boats and as soon after the incident as possible).
Your requirements for protest don't change from the preparatory signal to the finish. You are still bound by the same requirements to have a valid protest whether you have started or not.
Other than the "as soon after the incident as possible" requirement, a boat that commits a breach before the starting signal isn't required to do her turns before starting, is she?
Here’s the kicker. The boat that fouled me was the only other boat racing me. There were probably 15 boats in the start but they were all in B fleet while the boat in question was in A fleet with me. So no big deal. UNTIL, I win the race and am heading back to the harbor. The other boat is still finishing and is probably 400 yards from the finish line as we pass going opposite directions and I’m probably 50 yards abeam him. He screams at me for stealing his wind as a boat not racing, against him, a boat still racing. Now, fair enough, if you think I’m too close, even though the race outcome is decided, I’m sorry. But if you’re gonna be that petty, ya probably ought to pay attention to basic port starboard rules in the start sequence.
I brought it up on the dock. When I mentioned his fouls his comment was, “That’s racing.” I politely informed him that racing was bound by rules to which he replied, “Whatever.”
So, I considered launching the first protest hearing in the last two decades at the club but, as y’all have pointed out, having not waved my red flag, it would probably get thrown out. But the next time he fouls me, game on.
I’m not going to get on my soapbox (entirely), but there is nothing “friendly” about people breaking rules and not taking spins.
The friendly, honorable, sportsmanlike and Corinthian way to sail is follow the rules in the spirit of fair play and take your turns without fuss or muss.
Shame on them for not spinning, not shame on you for protesting them for not doing so.
Craig, i thing that if you are in the starting mosh pit with 30secs to go, you have to try to bail-out, get clear and spin. 30 secs is too long to blame on a crowded start for the delay IMO (if there is a way out)
You should not feel bad about protesting nor should you accept the "we don't protest here" attitude. Again, the basic principle is that the sailors are expected both to follow and enforce the rules. You should not have to put up with people breaking the rules and expecting to get away with it.
Letting them know you expect them to follow the rules and that you will protest is often enough to get them to follow the rules.
Maybe next time just hail "that's a foul, you should do turns" loudly enough for the offending boats and anyone else nearby to hear. Maybe also make the point to the club that there are boats that appear to be taking advantage, and suggest they consider putting in a voluntary post-race penalty (US prescription Appendix V2) or arbitration (Appendix T)
Protests that are the result of honest differences of opinions on the rules or observations of the incident should never have a negative taint to them. Quite the contrary, protests are an essential part of our competitor-enforced rule system and are expected
There are stories of resentment simmering within clubs on account of incidents on the water years ago. Ducking a novice who is on port or allowing them to barge a little at the start is one thing (and probably better for your own race to avoid the distraction) but where there is controversy, it should be handled in accordance with the rules. I am against shouting without protesting which in some circumstances might be considered bullying. After all, if you protest you put your own race result on the line.
I agree there are some ill informed protest committees and some dubious results. The answer to that is to obtain a written record and appeal to your national authority.
All of this has the potential to generate bad feeling so that it is vital to stay calm and polite and not to discuss the incident outside the protest room.
A club should reach out to their Regional Admin Judge RAJ (in the US) and they can help pull together a remote panel.
Also, I’d imagine there are judges here on RRoS that would be happy to lend a hand in a remote hearing if asked.