• From Course Side?
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  John D. Farris 25-Oct-21 18:59
• Close Starboard-Port upwind with 20m Bargers RRS 10 -15-14
  22 Comments
  Gijs Vlas 25-Oct-16 16:08
• RRS 20.1
  59 Comments
  Chin In 25-Oct-12 23:13
• New medal series formats
  9 Comments
  Jacopo Morelli 25-Oct-11 11:29
• RRS 63.5(c) and what a PC "believes"
  11 Comments
  Angelo Guarino 25-Oct-10 17:48

• Close Starboard-Port upwind with 20m Bargers RRS 10 -15-14
  Gijs .. what's the guy on the leeward rail doing with the stick?
  
  When you watch the video, between 0:15-0:22 .. there is a man in a red PFD with a long stick .. he's taking the stick with one hand an apparently planting it into the bottom and pushing the boat along.  One hand he can't be doing much with that stick on such a big heavy boat!  
  
  Is that a position/function in racing these boats?
  Angelo Guarino Today 20:10
• Rule 18.3
  Ang - I was looking at the scenario pictures and I think there is more detail needed in Scenario #2. Are you assuming that Yellow is not close-hauled or comes down on Cyan forcing her to miss the mark? Because if Yellow is close-hauled and would have to go above close-hauled to keep clear of Cyan trying to shoot the mark, then, Cyan broke 18.3 since she caused Yellow to go above close-hauled and isn't entitled to mark-room because 18.2 doesn't apply.
  
  On a separate topic about 18.3 - when does 18.3 obligations of the boat tacking from port to starboard end?
  1. After the mark has been rounded/passed by the starboard fetching boat?
  2. While the boats remain in the zone?
  Argument for #2 is Team Racing call E-15.
  
  I've reviewed the rules in light of this new understanding and come up with-yes #2 is the correct answer since:
  1. 18 continues to apply until both boats are out of the zone by 18.1(a) first sentence and no exceptions apply.
  2. 18.3(a) applies and thus not only does 18.2 not apply, but also 18.1(b) doesn't apply since no mark-room is owed to the inside boat that was the port to starboard tacker.
  3. There is nothing that turns off 18.3(a) until one of the boats tacks which of course means 18.1(a)(1) turns off 18 or both boats leave the zone.
  
  

  

  
  
  
  Warren Collier Yesterday 17:44
• From Course Side?
  In our area, we often put the Sail Canada RC flag up once the signal boat is on station for the first race of the day - Lima is only used to signal "come within hail" if we need that or "Follow me" if the signal boat is changing its position.  It comes down sometime before the first warning of the day.  
  The orange flag goes up as  the SI's require or if there is no rule, once the starting line is more or less set, and is up by the time of the warning signal, if there is no delay (if there is, it may be up, but AP goes up).  The orange flag comes down when there is no longer a need for it:  once all boats have started or starting windows have all closed, whichever comes first.  It may stay up all day, if starts and finishes are more or less continuous.  
  Tom Shenstone Thu 13:28
• Unrestricted Access to Protest Form
  My bad. I realised that if I  selected a live event I could initiate hearing requests from my phone.
  This highlights a point that I have often encountered - race officials are often surprising un-informed of how the competitor uses the system the system.
  G
  Gordon Davies 25-Oct-22 13:19
• RRS 20.1
  These are not technicalities. It is a straightforward rule which is written in plain English. It is one sentence: A boat may hail for room to tack and avoid a boat on the same tack by hailing 'Room to tack'.
  
  It can be read in the rule book and does not need to be taught "in the coaching room, parking lot, or the bar". To suggest that is to suggest that you need special privileges to learn to sail fairly. Instead, we need to take care to make our sport more accessible to those who are not "insiders". There are many things that were "accepted for generations" which we might prefer weren't (slavery is an extreme example that I hope we can agree on).
  
  In this thread and others, we have outlined over and over again the safety measures that allow a boat to avoid collisions:

  1. read the rules and know three words to say. If you want to take advantage of the tactical benefits that RRS 20 conveys, this is the ask
  2. if you don't receive room, avoid collisions any way you can (luff sails, head up, duck)
  3. shout for help when you need it
  4. I also note that other boats are required to avoid causing collisions, so they will have significant onus even if rule 20 is not invoked

  
  Lastly, I will defend myself personally. I would always respond and ask questions if I felt the other boat was requesting room to tack. But I also would not give an inch if another boat were trying to trick me into tacking well before it was necessary and then able to hide behind "I didn't invoke the rule". This is one of the many reasons to have a specific wording to invoke the rule, and it allows conversation and communication, both essential to good sportsmanship.
  Niko Kotsatos 25-Oct-22 13:18

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