Hi!
Maybe for raceofficers but might be important to all: When is it proper to display X individual recall?
Two boats duelled without crossing the starting line ending windward of the extension. 15s before starting signal they returned, still above the extension of the starting line aiming well outside pin end. RC signalled X. This led to confusion among sailors and since the regatta was a team race some boats returned - without being early - these boats later requested redress suggesting improper action by RC. The request was not valid.
What is the difference to match race, some of the starting rules and RRS22.1 where the extensions is explicit written in the rule? . How do you interprete this in a way not creating confusion among sailors?
Anders
You've stated this is team racing and then brought up Match Racing - two different Appendices (D & C respectively). In Match Racing if OCS at start or failing to enter start box on time is a penalty to that boat (or both, then they cancel out) - Code Flags for recall are not used in Match Racing generally.
I don't think that’s precisely correct. OCS includes “did not start”.
From Appx A10
We have an old thread someplace where we dove into this question. Lemme see if I can dig it up (or anyone else who finds it please post).
The “shall” RC instruction for the X-flag is described in rule 29.1. It does not include any statement regarding the boat crossing the line.
So in fleet racing (or team racing, which doesn't appear to change 29.1) I don't think a boat that's on the course side of an extension of the line at her starting signal has broken 29.1. Obviously such a boat would still have to get below the line to start properly and would still be keep clear under 21.1 while doing so. Sounds like displaying the X flag in this circumstance was an improper action by the RC.
Was the redress request deemed not valid because there was no improper action or omission, or for some other reason?
I found the thread. It was my old “puzzler word-problem for NYE”. It’s a very long thread with lots of diagrams and of course head-of-pin-dancing.
https://www.racingrulesofsailing.org/posts/501-ocs-around-the-pin-end
Gun goes off at #2, no X-flag?
Tim, not valid due to SI procedure.
Peter, RC signalled promptly after the start.
Another comment: If the extension IS in play it will be much harder to observe boats returning at the starting vessel end.
In this specific case PRO said it was hard to determine from the starting vessel end if the boats were positioned outside or inside at the pin end. Much more so if it´s a longer line with greater number of boats. In this race it was eight boats.
I will check the thread!
I believe that RC has a grade of freedom here... and that it´s hard to get redress ("no fault of her own" and "omission by RC"). We have to wait for the jury to decide...
If I'm the PRO, X flag almost certainly would go up, I would think.
In either case the boat has not started properly and has no excuse for not knowing it, so score OCS.
I suspect this is another one where the boat is technically wrong but no race officer would ever spot it or call it.
I disagree on orange boat not starting correct.
The green line is the boundary on the prestart side between the starting-line and it’s extension.