Forum: The Racing Rules of Sailing

Rule 69, who does it apply to?

Mike Forbes
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • National Judge
RRS69 applies to "a competitor, boat owner, or support person".
Does that mean that the Protest Committee, Race Committee and other officials are exempt?
What censure could the PC (assuming they were not involved!) have if say, the RO started a fight with a Juror or competitor?

This is an imaginary scenario, but has me wondering !! 
Created: 23-Sep-05 13:39

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John Porter
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • Club Race Officer
0
Race officials are not subject to Rule 69. Your MNA is responsible for discipline of race officials. In the US, we have an Ethics Review Board that handles these issues. 
Created: 23-Sep-05 13:59
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John D. Farris
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • Club Race Officer
  • Club Judge
1
World Sailing uses the same language in the Race Management and Judge Manuals..." behave with the highest degree of competence, propriety, and integrity. At no time can or should an official do anything to bring the sport into disrepute or to reflect poorly on World Sailing, their MNA or club, or on other officials." So, I would say the Protest Committee, Race Committee, and other officials are not exempt. They are just handled differently. 
Created: 23-Sep-05 14:10
Michael Moradzadeh
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • Club Race Officer
0
I raised the same question with a National Judge when participating in an event run by an organizer who was rabidly hostile to me. The answer was, consistent with the comments above, that race organizers are subject to action by the organizing authority and, failing that, US Sailing in the US. 
Created: 23-Sep-05 14:14
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • Regional Race Officer
1
RRS69 applies to "a competitor, boat owner, or support person".

That is exactly what rule 69 applies to.

Unless they also happen to be a competitor, boat owner, or support person, [with respect to a boat in the event] it does not apply to race officials.

Misconduct by race officials is dealt with under the code of conduct, rules, regulation ,or by laws of the OA, MNA or WS.
Created: 23-Sep-05 14:18
Jim Archer
Nationality: United States
0
Yup I had occasion to learn this when I was accosted at a club bar by a race official I didn't even know who came up our of the blue and spit a stream of profanity at me because he had heard that I made a comment about a race that he took personal offense to. I was very prepared to file a rule 69 complaint, and quickly learned he is not subject to rule 69. Personally I think he and all race officials should be. 
Created: 23-Sep-05 14:19
Mike Forbes
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • National Judge
1
Thanks for all the above.  One of the very few questions I have posted that have consistent answers.  😀
Created: 23-Sep-05 14:22
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • Regional Race Officer
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Jim Archer
Said
Created: Today 14:19
. Personally I think he and all race officials should be. 

Why?

What do you want them to do? Do turns?

RRS are about sailing racing, not behaviour of administrators, which, by the way are exhaustively deal  with by the MNA/WS Officials Codes of Conduct, policies, regulations and by laws.
Created: 23-Sep-05 14:37
Martin Smethers
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • National Race Officer
0
Totally agree with other comments, it does not apply to race officials, the admin team in the race office, etc., as it says RRS69 applies to "a competitor, boat owner, or support person".
There was an incident in the summer where a competitor would not accept that the PC could not take action against those at the registration desk where the competitor thought they had breached rule 69.
Created: 23-Sep-05 15:13
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Angelo Guarino
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • Regional Judge
  • Fleet Measurer
0
If I was to summarize the “complaints” (to the extent these can be qualified as such) that 69 doesn’t apply to race officials … is that process for RO’s is comparatively opaque and non-standardized as it comes down to the MNA.

That said, I just did a Google-search with “lodge a conklaint against a us sailing race official” (typos included) and the top item is a detailed PDF here.

I didn’t check, but likely top results can be found for other MNA’s. 
Created: 23-Sep-05 17:30
Leo Reise
Nationality: Canada
Certifications:
  • International Judge
0
It has been mentioned that US Sailing has a method, of reporting of a complaint against an US Sailing Official and a simple "Google" almost directly puts you on the proper page. This makes it very simple for any competitor, OA, or other official to make known what they perceive to be a problem.

Unfortunately, other countries, including my own, and World Sailing, do not appear to have a similar method, and least not that a Google search would easily find. I would think that a letter to the MNA involved, or the World Sailing Secretariat may be the only avenue.  I might assume, or rather hope, that MNAs and World Sailing would react to any such letter filed. 




Created: 23-Sep-05 18:34
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