Forum: The Racing Rules of Sailing

What is an "incident" in RRS 44.1 Taking a Penalty

Philip Hubbell
Nationality: United States
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At a standard windward starting line with all boats on starboard tack, 
W is early at the starboard end and reaches down below the line 
making contact with two leeward boats before tangling briefly with a third leeward boat.
No serious damage results.
RRS 41.1 says "A boat may take... a penalty when she [has] broken one or more rules... in an incident..."
All three leeward boats hail protest.
How many incidents have occurred, and thus how many turns does W owe?
Created: 24-Feb-02 03:56

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John Christman
Nationality: United States
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See US Appeal 65.  Then you have to decide what is or is not an 'inevitable result'.  Good luck with that.
Created: 24-Feb-02 04:48
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John Allan
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Turns aren't going to save her.

After the first contact she did not get well clear of other boats as soon as possible, so any turns she takes are not a Turns Penalty in accordance with RRS 44.2.

I think each contact is evidence of a separate breach of RRS 11 and RRS 14, so that's 3 incidents.

US Sailing Appeal 65
The test of whether two occurrences were one or two incidents is whether the second occurrence was the inevitable result of the first. A boat intending to protest another boat for two incidents during a race, no matter how close in time, must inform the protested boat that two protests will be lodged.

RYA Appeal 2003/3 
If there is a causal link between a series of collisions, they may be regarded as a single incident for the purposes of rule 60.3(a)(1).

The second contact was not caused by or a result of the first.

The third contact was not caused by or a result of either the first or the second.

So no link or consequence there.

In accordance with Case 49 protests for all the incidents should be heard together.
Created: 24-Feb-02 04:56
Calum Polwart
Nationality: United Kingdom
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After the first contact she did not get well clear of other boats as soon as possible, so any turns she takes are not a Turns Penalty in accordance with RRS 44.2.
I'm not sure we have enough data to know that. Why did W not move to windwards and avoid 2 & 3? Did she have a problem on board?  If so perhaps it was not possible to avoid 2 and 3.

If she did turns, that may satisfy 1, but 2+3 can protest her and argue either side in the jury room. Or, it might satisfy 3, and 1+2 might protest. 

This is not a unique scenario. P (port) sails across S1 (starboard) bow forcing her to take vaping action. P continues for 2 boat lengths while S1 expresses her intent to protest and P replies with some words of defence ("sorry"). Hasn't initiated turns but is now repeating the process for S2.


The quoted US situation -- actually refers to the same boat making the protest.  Perhaps P avoid S2 but infringes S1 again.
Created: 24-Feb-02 08:01
Graham Louth
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Doesn't matter how many incidents there have been, W should retire immediately. If not, the protest committee should give serious consideration to giving her a DNE for breaking rule 2. Boats that knowingly break rules on the start line like this should not be allowed to get away with it.
Created: 24-Feb-02 09:58
Russell Beale
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@Graham it's not clear that this is intentional on behalf of W.  All incidents may be poor judgement or equipment failures etc.  If it is clear then I agree with you though.  If I were on the PC I'd want to interrogate whether it was done knowingly - if for e.g. they thought that  a few turns was better than ducking the whole of the fleet, then DNE.

And OP - for me, there appear to be 3 incidents here as per the independence criteria.  
Created: 24-Feb-03 01:41
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