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Rule 42 Interpretation: Repeated means more than once in the same area

David Battye
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • National Umpire
In a dinghy race governed by Appendix P the wind speed is in the range 2-6 kts and averages 5kts. A downwind leg is 0.25 NM long and the boats take 15 minutes to sail it with an average boat speed of 1kt. At the start of the leg, a boat is observed to roll due to an athwartship movement of the crew. The roll is not immediately repeated. Five minutes later the boat is observed to make another crew-induced roll which is not immediately repeated. Five minutes later the same thing happens. Five minutes after that, just before the leeward mark the same thing happens again. Did the boat break Rule 42.2(b)(1)? If so, at what point along the leg did the breach occur? How should the observers interpret the phrase repeated more than once in the same area of the leg to decide whether to give a yellow flag penalty under Rule P1.2?
Created: 24-Sep-25 12:53

Comments

Gordon Davies
Nationality: Ireland
Certifications:
  • International Judge
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Did the roll clearly propel the boat?
Was there any other reason for the crew's movement?
Was the roll associated with anything else : wave, wash, gust 

I had a similar incident in an SB20 event. Every so often, a crew would stand up, let the boat heel and then bring the boat back up to normal sailing angle.
We penalised on the 3rd time.
Created: 24-Sep-26 11:15
Graham Louth
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • Regional Umpire
  • International Judge
  • National Race Officer
0
Hi David
I personally would not consider single actions that were 5 minutes apart and at different places down the leg to be repeated more than once in the same area of the leg. I therefore would not yellow flag such actions unless any one of them individually broke Rule 42. (But I would flag any one of them if I considered that they contravened BASIC 4 or ROCK 5).
Created: 24-Sep-26 11:26
David Battye
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • National Umpire
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Thanks Gordon, in answer to your questions:
The rolls did not clearly propel the boat.
There was no other reason for the crew movement.
No wash or waves, just flat water and less than 5kts of wind.
Created: 24-Sep-26 11:26
David Battye
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • National Judge
  • National Umpire
0
Thanks Graham, in the conditions described how close in time or distance after the first roll would the second roll need to be repeated for you to give a yellow flag penalty?
Created: 24-Sep-26 11:37
Tim OConnell
Nationality: Canada
Certifications:
  • Club Race Officer
  • Judge In Training
  • Umpire In Training
  • Club Judge
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David, if you didn't see the boat propelled as a result of the crew's movement, the point of 42 is to capture artificially created propulsion. If you didn't see propulsion, then it looks like they didn't break 42.1. Could they have moved with these 5 minute intervals to  "perform other acts of seamanship, but shall not otherwise move their bodies to propel the boat". E,g. They moved to get a better view of their course? e,g. a look under a boom or around the mast etc. to re-check their course to the next mark?
Created: 24-Sep-26 12:34
Graham Louth
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • Regional Umpire
  • International Judge
  • National Race Officer
0
That is harder to say David. If the second roll were within say 30 seconds (and even more so if there was a third roll within 30 seconds of that) then I might well decide that the rolling was repeated. If there hasn't been a second roll within a minute of seeing the first one then I would normally stop watching that boat and watch others instead (not good to get fixated on one boat). If I subsequently saw the same boat do another single roll then I wouldn't immediately consider that to be repeated rolling (i.e. rocking), but I might spend rather longer watching that boat to see how frequently there were doing such rolls. 'Fraid I can't say definitively how frequently they would have to be doing them for me to consider it to be rocking. Rightly or wrongly, I suspect my tolerance would also depend upon how aggressively they were rolling the boat i.e. how close I thought they were to breaching BASIC 4.
Created: 24-Sep-26 12:38
Kevin Wyp
Nationality: United States
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Repeated vs Periodic? If repeated is consecutive and periodic is 5 minutes apart then the time separation might imply periodic singular motions/rolling, and not consecutive repeated motions/rolling. Otherwise, if unclear,  amend the rule to define “two or more consecutive rolls” as “repeated”?
Created: 24-Sep-26 13:04
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Angelo Guarino
Certifications:
  • Regional Judge
  • Fleet Measurer
0
Kevin re: "Otherwise, if unclear,  amend the rule to define “two or more consecutive rolls” as “repeated”?"

RRS 42 is forbidden from change in RRS 86.1(a) unless it's done at the Class Rule level (RRS 86.1(c)).
Created: 24-Sep-30 12:09
Mark Townsend
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • International Race Officer
  • International Umpire
  • International Judge
1
Also the Interpretations of Rule 42, Propulsion cannot be changed unless approved by World Sailing in accordance with Regulation 28.4. See Introduction.

Interpretations World Sailing publishes the following authoritative interpretations of the racing rules:
  • The Case Book – Interpretations of the Racing Rules,
  • The Call Books, for various disciplines,
  • Interpretations of Rule 42, Propulsion, and
  • Interpretations of the Regulations, for those Regulations that are rules.
These publications are available on the World Sailing website. Other interpretations of the racing rules are not authoritative unless approved by World Sailing in accordance with Regulation 28.4.

Created: 24-Sep-30 13:04
Kevin Wyp
Nationality: United States
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Hi Angelo. That’s my suggested intent; a Technical Committee level revision to the Racing Rule , for a next edition of the RRS. Maybe the RRS Rule Committee will accept public comment? Apologies if that was not clear. 
Created: 24-Sep-30 14:02
Kevin Wyp
Nationality: United States
0
A few questions and food for thought, re: Rule 42, if anyone here knows please advise (for my education and curiosity):

1. How much time is allowed between singular rolling actions, in order to allow these actions, not observe them as “repeated”, and further, to define these actions as periodic and not breaking with Rule 42?

2. What is the technical definition of “area” of a leg? “repeated more than once in the same area of the leg ”

It appears that there are one or two components in Rule 42 that are subjective, and could use  clarity of the definition. Something for the Rules Technical Committee to review?

Created: 24-Sep-30 14:34
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Angelo Guarino
Certifications:
  • Regional Judge
  • Fleet Measurer
0
Kevin, regarding suggested changes to the RRS, here are the guidelines for submissions to WS.  Given you are in the US, your submission would go through the US Sailing Rules Comm.  Otherwise, you could lobby a recognized International OD Class Rule committee and see if you can get buy-in there.

If we are talking about the CR's for a class that is not a WS-recognized international class, then the Class itself likely has a process, detailed within their bylaws and CR's, on how changes to the CR's are made.  In the J/105 Class (of which I am a member).. that can only happen 1/year .. and has submission deadlines and voting procedures.

Finally, for a specific event, an OA can request to change a CR with the permission of the Class.  This is done in writing by the Class by what we call a "Rule 87 Letter", named after RRS 87 which provides this ability.  RRS 85.1 tells us that, "A change to a rule includes and addition to it or deletion of all or part of it".  Therefore, in theory, an OA could acquire a Rule 87 letter from a Class, permitting them to change (add) a CR that changed Rule 42 for that specific Class and for the events detailed in the 87 Letter.
Created: 24-Sep-30 19:44
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