In a race where there are successives starting procedures, a boat starts with a previous class of her and never comes back.
The RC notices that she anticipated her start.
At her scheduled starting signal, does the RC fly X flag ?
How is scored the boat ?
https://www.racingrulesofsailing.org/posts/272-recalls-and-penalaties
The boat should be scored OCS. Case 31 is the defense of the inevitable request for redress.
A boat that is 3-5 mins down the course will not benefit from the visual X and sound signal and as you say, will only serve to confuse other competitors. One can imagine one such confused competitor returning to the course side only to see X still flying and thinking “What-the-heck” as seconds tick by.
On the other hand, if the RC is calling #’s over VHF, then the X+sound might be less disruptive as in my experience, we wait to hear our number before heading back.
Can you elaborate on the PC’s Case 31 defense in a redress?
Ang
Perhaps a score of DNS would be appropriate as the boat did not comply with definition of "start".
To be fair, this is simply off the cuff, haven’t had a chance to look through cases/appeals.
Edit: I see Rob basically said the same thing before I got a chance to submit
I could argue that in this scenario, where the OCS boat is some distance down the course, she would not be in a position to see the visual signal or hear the sound signal, or if she saw/heard them might not understand that they applied to her. As these signals (in the absence of any VHF calls if allowed for in the SIs) would likely not have benefited the OCS boat and may have confused boats starting properly, I'd say that omitting the signals, while not in accordance with RRS 29.1, was not necessarily an improper action in this circumstance.
A related question occurs to me. If a boat starts with a previous class would it be proper for the RC to call her on VHF and inform her immediately, or should RC wait until her correct starting signal and then hail?
What about another competitor hailing the OCS boat to let her know she'd started with the wrong class?
In this case, the boat starting with the other class may not have known they were OCS at the time they "started," but certainly knew when informed of their error.
In both cases of hailing in your instance, Tom - neither violates rule 41 since the outside assistance is unsolicited. I (as RC) would be hesitant to hail since I might not be able to do it in all instances - violating the "consistency principle" that all RCs should aspire to - to treat all competitors equally and consistently, no matter the circumstance. However, the "good guy" in me probably would, considering the level of the event, knowing that multiple, successive class starts are rarely part of a very high-level event.
At the proper start, there are 3 possibilities ...
#1) No additional boats over
During the gap between starts, the RC has discussed this boat’s OCS status. Flag, sound and VHF are prepared. X+sound quickly made and sail number ID’d over VHF. I think that would have minimum impact if any on the racers starting properly.
#2) Additional OCS boats at the start.
X+sound at the start. The list is assembled and the boat-in-question’s number is added to the VHF list. No other boat is harmed or effected. I doubt this scenario would happen when starting penalties apply but if so, they would be applied.
#3) General Recall
1st-sub + 2 sounds. The RC might make the point to name the class for which the general recall applies over VHF. Typically the RC may do this in context of announcing if the class will restarted immediately or go to the back of the line.
Ang
from "a boat that {starts too late) shall be scored DNS"
to "a boat that does not start within X minutes after her start signal shall be scored OCS or DNS..."
This includes OCS boats and boats starting too late and removes the implication of such boat being a "starter."