Sorry if this was already discussed. Does a boat that accelerates (eg. pre-start) owe room to keep clear per RRS16, or is it assumed that some minor course adjustment has inevitably been made?
- Lasers, Crowded-ish start line, 5-6kts and no waves
- at position 1 (15 seconds to go), both boats are luffing and moving slowly Green leeward of Pink
- just after position 2 (10 seconds to go), Green trims and accelerates
- Pink immediately trims and puts her helm to leeward
- As such, she slides sideways while accelerating, and cannot keep clear at position 3 (5 seconds to go)
- Green bears away to avoid contact
- Both boats agree that from position 2, if Green accelerates as she did, most if not all sailors in Pink would have been hard-pressed to keep clear (ie. Pink did not simply do a poor job of driving)
- Both boats agree that at position 1, if Green accelerates earlier, most if not all sailors in Pink would have been able to keep clear
My questions:
- Does Pink foul under rule 11, or does green nearly foul under rule 16?
- At what position (or partial position) does the foul occur?
2. As Mark has stated, the infringement occurs when Green can no longer sail her course and must take avoiding action.
Mark T, I'm interested by the fair sailing question. I tried to create a situation where Pink (W) made every effort to keep clear once the boats were approaching each other. It's clear to you and me that they should have begun avoiding earlier, but that's not always obvious to the 10/20-times-a-summer racer while the gap is still 2.5 boat-widths. Again, no disagreement there's a foul, but I'm just trying to understand the fair sailing part.
See bullets 4, 5 and 7.
Thanks, Niko
avoiding action. The question that should be asked is did Pink do enough, soon enough? Probably not because Green needed to take avoiding action. Why didn't Pink sheet in earlier and luff? Was it to avoid being over the line?
I personally think it really depends on timing here.
Case 92 describes the obligation to keep clear as follows:
“A keep-clear boat is required to act only in response to what a right-of-way boat is doing at the time, not what the right-of-way boat might do subsequently. “
When pink could have crossed if green did not accelerate then she was not in breach of 10 prior situation 3. And if she did everything to keep clear at this point she was sailing in her room to keep clear. Only real question is if green needed to give this room, or did she change course.
To this I would argue, yes, a sailing dinghy has a different drift factor with different speeds and therefore is essentially changing course with different speeds.
I would suggest that Match Racing has a very useful approach to fair sailing in these sorts of situations.
RRS C8.3 clearly distinguishes between deliberately breaking a rule and a breach of sportsmanship which may be particularly applicable where an intention to gain an advantage cannot be 'clearly established'.
C8.3 When the umpires decide that a boat has
(a) gained an advantage by breaking a rule after allowing for
a penalty,
(b) deliberately broken a rule, or
(c) committed a breach of sportsmanship,
she shall be penalized under rule C5.2, C5.3 or C5.4.
Penalties under C5.2, C5.3 and C5.4 are: A 1 Turn penalty, or Double or repeated 1 Turn penalties, a Red Flag, immediate penalty, and Black Flag Disqualification.
The WS MR Umpires Manual 2.4.2 amplifies this (emphasis added)
2.4.2
Sometimes breaking a rule and getting penalized leaves a boat in a better position than she would have
been if she had not broken a rule. In such cases the umpires have several options (rule C8.3):
1. To give an additional, umpire-initiated penalty (rule C5.2).
2. To give the penalty as a red-flag penalty (rule C5.3).
3. To display a black flag (rule C5.4).
The additional, umpire-initiated penalty is meant to take away an advantage gained by a boat that broke
a rule, especially if that advantage was gained through a deliberate breaking of a rule at a critical time
e.g. breaking a rule to avoid being OCS, barging at the start and denying an inside boat room at the
mark. It may also be given to a boat that commits a breach of sportsmanship, and in such a case, the
umpires may initiate the penalty without any flag Y from a competitor. (rule C8.3 and MR Call M2)
If a boat breaks a rule and it is not clearly established that she deliberately broke the rule and did to with the intention of gaining an advantage, I suggest that RRS 2 is not applicable and a disqualification on valid protest is quite sufficient.
Questions:
(Also, to be clear, this is not a specific incident I saw, but is similar to many incidents that I see in many fleets on a near-weekly basis.)
So ... Judges aren't "throwing RRS2 at people on the start line". This might be a consideration in deliberation while hearing a valid protest, based upon the evidence heard and facts found.
For a Rule 2 in this circumstance, IMO knowledge, awareness and intent are key.
Mark that's a really insightful application of that case. Thanks for that.
Given that RRS 14 says that Green is not required to take any action to avoid contact before it is clear that Pink is not keeping clear, and there is no prospect of Green breaking any rule, why is any hail by Green relevant?