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SI to Make ID'ing the Protestee more flexible on the written Protest

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Angelo Guarino
Certifications:
  • Regional Judge
This comes out of the thread talking about 2025's new Part 5.  The idea is that PC's might want more flexibility to ID the protestee during an otherwise valid hearing.

I'm not suggesting that's a good idea or bad, just putting the language in the correct forum if someone wants to find it (or talk about if it's a good idea or not).

SI #.#  60.3(a) is replaced by, "When delivered, a protest shall be in writing and identify the protestor and the incident, and identify or uniquely describe the protestee."
Created: Yesterday 20:04

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Graham Louth
Nationality: United Kingdom
Certifications:
  • Regional Umpire
  • International Judge
  • National Race Officer
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I personally don't think this is necessary. If a written protest uniquely describes the protestee then it has (in my view) "identified" them in compliance with RRS 60.3(a). RRS 60.3(a) does not specify any particular way in which the protestee is to be identified and so I personally think any way that uniquely identifies them should be acceptable under RRS 60.3(a). (Possible examples include: the sail number of the boat, the bow number of boat, the name of the boat, the name of the helm of the boat, a description of the logo displayed on the spinnaker of the boat, and so on).
Created: Yesterday 21:22
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Angelo Guarino
Certifications:
  • Regional Judge
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Graham re: "If a written protest uniquely describes the protestee then it has (in my view) "identified" them in compliance with RRS 60.3(a)"

I think maybe I could buy that.  Just to keep that idea going, and explore that ("uniquely describes") a bit .. 

In a J/22 class regatta where the vast majority or possibly all boats are white hulled, describing the protestee as "a white hulled J/22" would be insufficient?  But, if there are only a couple colored hulls, then saying "a blue hulled J/22" would be ok (without an SI modifying 60.3(a))?

PS:  Are we concerned that without changing 60.3(a) we are conflating "describing" and "identifying"?

If I'm asked the 2 questions .. Can you describe the object? .. Can you identify the object? .. aren't those 2 different answers?
Created: Yesterday 21:48
Rene Nusse
Nationality: Australia
Certifications:
  • Club Race Officer
  • Club Judge
  • Umpire In Training
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Isn't "uniquely describing" something just a step in the process of identifying something? I.e., once it is uniquely described, it can be identified. In reverse, identification can be directly achieved by quoting a sail/hull number or by determining the sail/hull number of the only pink boat in the fleet. I see this as synonymous in the context of 60.3(a). However, the problem with this is that it puts the onus on the PC to convert a unique description into an identification, which is in my opinion is undesirable.

Created: Today 03:12
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