Forum: Rule 18 and Room at the Mark

Rule 18.2(d)

Rene Nusse
Nationality: Australia
Hi All,
Does someone have diagrams to illustrate this rule scenario?
(d)  If a boat obtained an inside overlap from clear astern or by tacking to windward of the other boat and, from the time the overlap began, the outside boat has been unable to give mark-room, rules 18.2(a) and 18.2(c) do not apply between them.
Much appreciated if you direct me to the right spot...
Cheers,
Rene
Created: Today 03:16

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Mark Townsend
Nationality: United States
Created: Today 04:33
Gordon Davies
Nationality: Ireland
This is a common issue when sailing in restricted waters. For instance if Turquoise could give room because of the river bank, or a line of moored boats.
Red does not have room so must keep clear under RRS 11.
If Red gybes on to starboard then RRS 15 applies and she must give all 4 boats room to keep clear, including  space to comply with their obligations under Part 2 and 31
Created: Today 11:18
Ben Williams
Thanks Mark.  In this case what should red do?  Can they not round the mark and protest/seek redress or do they have to tack around and find a space behind the pack?  Surely, somehow turquoise should be penalized unless she is somehow restricted by an obstruction.  Appreciate your advice. Ben
Created: Today 06:30
Niko Kotsatos
Nationality: United States
Red should never expect that by getting room at 3.5 boat-lengths that she will suddenly have THE POWER (except maybe in teams racing or match racing). That applies doubly when there are multiple boats. Red should have been planning to have no room at position 1, when she was clearly astern and at the whim of Yellow's angle, as well as the maneuverability of three additional boats who cannot see her.
Created: Today 13:03
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Well it's tactical advice rather than a racing rules answer, but maybe gybe and try to stick it to Yellow before the zone, get Yellow to gybe and maybe create enough room to get around on the inside.

Otherwise drop kite early, fishtail like crazy to lose speed and follow Yellow around on the inside line.

Do not go around the outside 5 deep.
Created: Today 10:00
Tim O'Connor
Reply to: 20503 - John Allan
Flick onto starboard at 1 and sail a hot angle to make the dominoes fall before the zone, and then flick back to port into that gap?
Created: Today 11:05
Kirsteen Donaldson
An anecdote from a long time ago as an inside boat in a somewhat similar situation - Class 1 started on a beat, as we approached the "windward" mark, the wind died.  Class 2 started 10 mins later.  The wind filled in behind, so Class 2 hoisted kites and mostly headed into a line of stationary Class 1 boats, which hadn't yet got the wind.  There was a lot of shouting!  The boat that won out of all the mess was the one that did go round the outside of both classes - although sailing further, she kept moving in clean air and was off on the new beat whilst the rest were still shouting and pushing others off.  (I don't recall what happened in the protest room.)
Created: Today 10:54
Tim O'Connor
There’s the plan, and then there’s what the wind allows, and the two sets may intersect if you’re lucky…
Created: Today 13:09
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