Race Committee & Race Management

Foiling with Rule 42

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Dennis Dyer
Certifications:
  • Regional Race Officer
  • Club Race Officer
When a foiling vessel is low-riding (sailing hull down), the sailor will bounce, pump, ooch and rock in order to get up on the foil.  To negate possible rule violation, foiling regattas often use Appendix P which permits these actions (RRS P5).  To simplify this permission concept section our foiling SIs will state:
1.3  When low-riding, pumping, rocking, and ooching are permitted (Experimental proposed rule change of RRS 42.3).

Created: 26-Apr-25 20:54

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Michael Butterfield
Certifications:
  • International Judge
  • International Umpire
  • International Race Officer
I have no knowledge of this but interpretation basic 7 allows unlimited pumps. 
Do we really need extra ooching and rocking? 
Created: 26-Apr-26 08:50
Lars Rosenblad
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • Club Judge
I think that it is appropriate to allow ooching and rocking, rather than trying to parse the different motions on the boat.  On a wing or a windsurfer, the pumping cannot be separated from the other movements of the hull, the foil and the body.  Once the boat is up and foiling, those other motions are no longer beneficial so their use will be limited.
Created: 26-Apr-27 03:28
Peter Hannah
Nationality: Australia
Certifications:
  • National Judge
Perhaps have a look at the R42 Guidelines published by the Waszp Class (on their website). Not necessarily to adopt the same- but to show how other foilers have addressed it - and the lengths they have gone to to protect the wings from the effects of unrestricted body pumping (remembering it is the foils that are the target of increased flow, not the sail).
Created: 26-Apr-27 04:02
Lars Rosenblad
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • Club Judge
The WASZP rule 42 guidelines are interesting, but seem to be pretty difficult to enforce; I do believe that it is the class prerogative to determine the best way to address rule 42 for these kinds of boats.  In general, the answer is probably to not hold events for foiling classes in non-foiling conditions; sailors on foiling boats generally don't want to race if they aren't on foil anyway.  For the wingfoils specifically, pumping includes the foil and the sail together, and is a generally accepted practice as written in Appendix WS.
Created: 26-Apr-28 03:55
John Christman
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • International Umpire
  • Club Race Officer
  • National Judge
@Lars - having done a number of WASZP events with on the water RRS 42, it is actually quite easy to see and enforce.
Created: 26-May-01 16:44
John Christman
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • International Umpire
  • Club Race Officer
  • National Judge
@Lars - having done a number of WASZP events with on the water RRS 42, it is actually quite easy to see and enforce.
Created: 26-May-01 16:44
John Christman
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • International Umpire
  • Club Race Officer
  • National Judge
@Lars - having done a number of WASZP events, I found the RRS 42 rules easy to see and enforce.
Created: 26-May-01 16:45
Lars Rosenblad
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • Club Judge
John, I am glad that the WASZP rules are working in practice.  I think that the wingfoils will go a different direction, with little or no limitations, at least in part because they are always in the standing position.  I think that should be up to the fleet decide and adopt in their class rules so we shall see as the class matures.
Created: 26-May-03 01:08
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