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Rule 10: No Collision

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Robert Pierce
Nationality: United States
I'm not an official or high level competitor, but I'll try to hypothetically describe a  situation I have experienced a few times in both the port and the starboard boat.

Wind 10 knots
Red keelboat is on port tack fetching an upwind finish.
Green keelboat is on starboard tack on course to cross red.
Red watches green at a distance of 100 meters and reasonably estimates that green will beat red.  At a distance of 80 meters (10 seconds later), red reasonably estimates that boats are on collision course. At 60 meters (10 seconds later) red reasonably judges that red will beat green.
Red continues on course and passes ahead of green by 20 meters.

Green says that at 80 meters out it had a "genuine and reasonable apprehension of collision" and therefor  felt it "needed to take avoiding action."  

Red says "No, we were watching. You need to get a lot closer to the give-way boat before you can be scared of a collision. In fact, the boats were continuously changing speed throughout the episode.  Your job is to sail ahead longer than you did."

So, question, what is the standard for judging a "genuine and reasonable apprehension of collision"? If skipper of red is an expert, does red need to tack or duck far out (and lose his fetch) because green may be a novice skipper and may get scared easily? 
Created: 26-May-01 00:23

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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
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 what is the standard for judging a "genuine and reasonable apprehension of collision"? 

How about the judgement of an average reasonable sailor represented by the members of the protest committee?
Created: 26-May-01 00:53
Al Sargent
Nationality: United States
What kind of boats are we talking about?

In Harbor 20s, 80 meters = 240 feet = 12 boatlengths.

In 100 foot maxis, 240 feet = 2.4 boatlengths, and a lot of complexity to turn. 
Created: 26-May-01 01:08
Vince Harris
Nationality: United States
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  • Club Judge
Harbor 20s.  They're going 20 meters in 10 seconds in 10 kts of breeze.  That's 4 kts.  The maxi would be doing 10 kts upwind in 10 kts of breeze.

Novices in a starboard tack boat really like rule 10 though.  That can be an added element to the scenario.
Created: 26-May-01 02:06
Wayne Balsiger
Nationality: United States
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  • Regional Judge
Case 123 Abstract 
If, at the moment it would be clear to a competent, but not expert, sailor at the
helm of a starboard-tack boat that there is substantial risk of contact with a port-tack
boat, but there is time for the starboard-tack boat to change course
sufficiently to avoid the contact, she will break rule 14(a) if contact occurs.

Competent, but not expert is the normal standard used.

John Allen alluded to this in his comment.
Created: 26-May-01 02:35
Capt Tribhuwan Jaiswal
Nationality: India
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  • National Race Officer
I agree to the phrase " the moment it would be clear to a competent, but not expert, sailor at the
helm " as the key variable.

In a close quarter situation, however, there are many other variables like the boat- size, shape, rudder effectiveness etc, then the environment-wind speed, steady or gusts, waves, swell, visibility etc and last but not the least the level of competition- it sets a bar for the competence of the crew expected.

The answer lies in interpretation of the situation based on the evidence by the parties and the jury's application of their perception of the environment (this may not be written anywhere but practically always boils down to the perception of each member of the panel. The perception is dependent on so many variables, that itself can be a separate topic of discussion)
Created: 26-May-01 05:53
Why does green not hail "starboard" to red? 
Created: 26-May-01 06:15
Niko Kotsatos
Nationality: United States
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40 seconds is an eternity to sailboats going 4kts. In cars and on bikes, we make split-second decisions all the time.
Also, 10kts is the kind of breeze where turning is easier, boat speed is relatively consistent, there's no panic because it's not yet windy, and it's not so light that you're going to lose steerage.
Lastly, a IMO a starboard boat cannot reasonably protest in a situation like this without being within a percentage of a boat length. Maybe it's 1/2 boatlength in big swell or swirling conditions, but it's probably 1/8th boatlength or less in champagne conditions IMO.

IMO, 10 seconds is plenty of time in most boats, and I might even argue 3-5 seconds is more reasonable in many boats. In bigger boats, the complexity grows, (as do the targets) but the boat must be crewed reasonably well, including being prepared for evasive maneuvers in a close situation.

As Calum notes, communication from both sides would be preferred here (even though it is not required). A hail of "Starboard" at 40-80 meters is useful. A hail of "I see you" at 30-70 meters (or in response) is also useful for assuaging the fears of the starboard boat.
Created: 26-May-01 13:28
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Michael Butterfield
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  • International Judge
  • International Umpire
  • International Race Officer
As a jury we listen to the evidence of the parties and their explanation.

Firstly was there a change of course as if not there is no breach.

If there was was it a holywood or genuine, we get both.

Only experiance and your sailing can help you 

Port is always at rusk but starboerd often exagerates.

We the jury find the facts, and the better the jury the beter the decision gennerally.
Created: 26-May-01 20:00
Al Sargent
Nationality: United States
Michael, what is a “Hollywood”?
Created: 26-May-01 20:52
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Michael Butterfield
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  • International Umpire
  • International Race Officer
A holywood is really a match racing term for a great show, but may not be genuine.
Created: 26-May-01 20:58
Michael Balay
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • Regional Judge
WS Case 50 is more on point. WS Case 123 is about when Starboard breaks RRS 14 while Port breaks RRS1 0, and Starboard's inability to be exonerated if there is damage.
Robert quotes Case 50's language referring to "a genuine and reasonable apprehension of collision" on the part of Starboard. Case 50 says that if S never changed course, P could not have broken RRS 10, as Michael says above. So that is the first question.
The heart of the problem are the questions, "What is reasonable?" and Reasonable to whom?"
I line up with John to say the jury is the judge of what is reasonable under the circumstances, which will involve questions about the type and maneuvering characters of the boats involved, relative speed and distance, and wind and sea conditions for a simple RRS 10 case. This translates into the time required for maneuvers and the space available to make them (see definition Room). These are the facts for which Michael is saying a good jury will look.
The point is to avoid making decisions (about Part 2 cases, anyway) based on semantic arguments whenever possible. That avoids over-empowering both nervous Nellies who bail out too early and parties who want to assert they are the final judge of what the rules require on the basis of their great experience or skill. 
Case facts say the closing range was 2 meters/second. If I were hearing this as 12 Metre case, I would not penalize P if S altered course at 80 meters. We are 40 seconds from contact at that point. However, I would keep it in mind how long it takes a 12 Meter to tack in judging how close is too close. A judge can benchmark that by watching the race and timing some tacks on the day, under existing conditions. We aren't too far from the point where P in a 12 M would be unable to complete its tack clear ahead without S needing to alter course. If it's an Etchells case, the protestor will find a very unsympathetic jury.
Created: 26-May-04 15:25
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Michael Butterfield
Certifications:
  • International Judge
  • International Umpire
  • International Race Officer
I think it is clear the case refers to reasonable to the starboard boat.
The jury are the arbitrer of facts, so they test what starboard says to see if they have established a reasonable apprehension. 
We cannot just accept the starboard boats account. We use our sailing experience, and as said the type of boat, and the distances. 
The case (50) helps the starboard boat,  but we have to be aware of, too early action to outweight abuse. 
Created: 26-May-04 16:16
Michael Balay
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • Regional Judge
Michael, I can't see where Case 50 makes it clear that S's perception of reasonable apprehension governs anything. I think we agree it depends on the facts confirming that apprehension was reasonable, which means the facts might also show it was not reasonable. The conclusion of "reasonable" can only come from the jury in the answer to the second of 3 tests:
1. S changed course
2. There was reasonable doubt that P could have crossed ahead
3. S was justified in taking avoiding action by bearing away.

Note the conditional nature of "could" in the second test. "P could have crossed ahead" means the possibility existed of P crossing ahead. It is much weaker than "There was reasonable doubt the P would have passed ahead." As the boats get farther and farther apart, the possibilities multiply: wind gusts, shifts, steering issues, slight course changes, sail handling for two boats. Therefore, It's only when boats get close ("When Boats Meet") that it begins to be possible to project their course over a short period time with a great deal of certainty.
Your interpretation is plausible, but I think it creates unnecessary confusion about the standard of reasonability. Which is why Robert asked the question.
Created: 26-May-04 18:43
Robert Pierce
Nationality: United States
Thank you all for your comments.  Yes, my question was meant to boil down to "what is reasonable?" and "reasonable to whom?"  Yes, I was quoting Case 50.

I wrote the facts to try to convey that S was too far out for P to know whether S had luffed to slow or, alternatively that the boats had changed relative speed for some other natural reason. 

As a low-level racer, really what I'm looking for is an understanding of any  rules of thumb or helpful conventionalities available to all boats. So your discussion of times and distances is helpful.

I'm still a little unclear on what, exactly, it means to hail "starboard".  Is it:  (a) Do you see me?  or is it (b) I feel the need to change course, so if you don't tack/duck immediately, you will have broken the rules.  I guess (b)?

Really really what I'm looking for is a way to decide whether/when my P-boat conscience can be clear after S-boat changes course when at a longish distance out.

Thanks.


Created: 26-May-04 16:26
Michael Balay
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • Regional Judge
According to the Rules, hailing "starboard" doesn't mean anything in particular. You are informing the other boat that you are a right-of-way boat under RRS 10. Certainly, you are putting P on notice and that they need to act according to their obligations. It is a good thing to do from a safety standpoint, but you don't have to hail, and P doesn't need to respond.
Unless you were in a huge boat, your conscience should rest easy at 80 meters.
Created: 26-May-04 18:56
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Angelo Guarino
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Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • Regional Judge
Robert re: "According to the Rules, hailing "starboard" doesn't mean anything in particular. "

If you consider the Cases, that's not exactly true. 

If you call starboard when you are on port .. that breaks Rule 2. 

Hailing "starboard" is cited in 1-2 cases as an example of an "act" a boat can do to avoid contract.

Therefore, though the hail of "starbaord" is never required nor is any hail-response required .. in the Cases it is a recognized "act" with a specific understood meaning .. and whose inappropriate use can land a boat a DNE. 
Created: 26-May-07 14:04
Michael Balay
Nationality: United States
Certifications:
  • Regional Judge
That's a bit of a stretch, Angelo. The situation you cite is an unsportsmanlike attempt to deceive another boat about who has rights. It could happen with many other terms associated with Part 2 rules. 
What I was trying to say is that a hail of "starboard" does not have a precise meaning in the Rules that would answer Robert's question. It conveys only the information in my next two sentences. Whether someone has hailed that falsely is another matter altogether.
Created: 26-May-07 14:30
Which will convince me better that you were anxious.

"I hailed Starboard. They ignored me. I hailed louder again shouting you need to tack too. They ignored me. I altered course"

"I wasn't sure if they saw me and I was anxious so I altered course"
Created: 26-May-04 19:00
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