That is the right answer. And if you put Blue on the other side of White, they both are leeward boats per the definitions and they both are required to keep clear of the other.
The interesting thing is that most people would say that in position 1, Blue is the windward boat, because they are to windward or upwind of White. The italics here are important to distinguish between the RRS defined term and the dictionary defined term. But Blue is not on White's windward side, rather Blue is upwind of White.
Take a look at Match Racing Call B10 for another look at this scenario.
I belive we go back to the last point of certanty, when we can see who was give way. That is usually blue before she bore off or gybed. She is definitely at risk.
Michael - Unfortunately, in the fleet racing rules, we don't have the concept of last point of certainty as a general concept. It does appear in 18.2(e) but not in general.
Suppose Blue was clear ahead before she bore off to this course, perhaps because she went around a mark. Yes, they would be on different legs, but probably sailing their proper courses, so no RRS 23.2.
And if you put Blue on the other side of White, they both are leeward boats per the definitions and they both are required to keep clear of the other.
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
And if you put Blue on the other side of White, they both are leeward boats per the definitions and they both are required to keep clear of the other.
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
And if you put Blue on the other side of White, they both are leeward boats per the definitions and they both are required to keep clear of the other.
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
And if you put Blue on the other side of White, they both are leeward boats per the definitions and they both are required to keep clear of the other.
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
And if you put Blue on the other side of White, they both are leeward boats per the definitions and they both are required to keep clear of the other.
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
And if you put Blue on the other side of White, they both are leeward boats per the definitions and they both are required to keep clear of the other.
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
And if you put Blue on the other side of White, they both are leeward boats per the definitions and they both are required to keep clear of the other.
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
And if you put Blue on the other side of White, they both are leeward boats per the definitions and they both are required to keep clear of the other.
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
And if you put Blue on the other side of White, they both are leeward boats per the definitions and they both are required to keep clear of the other.
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
John, And if you put Blue on the other side of White, they both are leeward boats per the definitions and they both are required to keep clear of the other.
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
I remember this scenario! Has anything changed in in the current quad though? Can't think of anything off the top of my head especially if they were both holding course (initially)
Yes, sometimes it seems like we have lots of different ways of playing the same game.
I recall having heard that there was a proposal to add the last point of certainty rule from match racing to the fleet racing rules but I don't know what became of that. Perhaps the rule writers decided it wasn't needed or might cause confusion.
The interesting thing is that most people would say that in position 1, Blue is the windward boat, because they are to windward or upwind of White. The italics here are important to distinguish between the RRS defined term and the dictionary defined term. But Blue is not on White's windward side, rather Blue is upwind of White.
Take a look at Match Racing Call B10 for another look at this scenario.
That is usually blue before she bore off or gybed.
She is definitely at risk.
Suppose Blue was clear ahead before she bore off to this course, perhaps because she went around a mark. Yes, they would be on different legs, but probably sailing their proper courses, so no RRS 23.2.
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
John, The definition is “When two boats on the same tack overlap, the one on the leeward side of the other is the leeward boat. The other is the windward boat.” As they are both on the leeward side of the other they are both right-of-way and keep clear at the same time
So many different rules for the different discuplines. A problem in excelf.
I recall having heard that there was a proposal to add the last point of certainty rule from match racing to the fleet racing rules but I don't know what became of that. Perhaps the rule writers decided it wasn't needed or might cause confusion.
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