One design race in Light air - 5 boats scored, 20 scored TLE
No time limit to complete the actual race in the SIs, just a 15 minutes after the first boat finishes, boats still racing will be scored TLE.
If 3/4 of the fleet can't finish within the time limit, Should/Can the race be:
- Abandoned prior to the 1st boat finishing
- Thrown out/discarded after scores are posted
This race occurred on day 2 of a 2 day event. One race was completed on day 1. It does not seem fair to the fleet to count a race where 3/4s of the boats are TLE.
Thoughts on the best RC option in the future?
Same as per option 1 and 2
The time has to be related to the race length. different for a 30 min race to a two hour one.
things can be changed but it would be unusual.
I had a race, when 15 boats out of 48 finished in time limit. After 8 boats finished in 4 minutes, the wind totally dissaper and than another 10 manged to finish in time limit, which was 20 min. Target time was 50 and the first boat finish the race in 55 min.
We depend on weather conditions and this is part of the game.
On the other hand, did 20 TLEs really affect the results significantly? In a two-race series (with presumably no discarded race), you would have to do fairly well in both races to be in the top 3 positions.
The only "real" opportunity to abandon would be before the first boat finished. After that, the hurdle becomes much higher.
a: Yes
b: No
I was once forced by the OA to add a boat to a handicap race for a fleet of boats which were normally covered by about ten minutes an hour top to bottom. This extra boat was around 12 minutes an hour faster then the fastest of the remaining fleet. I amended the time limit to cope with this.
It is an interesting concept for a Race Committee to seek redress on behalf of some competitors against themselves.
In a Race, the concept is surely to allow competitors to compete fairly against each other, and thereby identify the best sailors in those conditions.
In this particular instance, the top five sailors in the conditions were identified. No specific unfair hinderance was mentioned that prevented the other competitors from finishing within the time limit; the lack of wind hindered everyone equally.
In response to Tony's comment about the RC filing for redress on the basis of their own action, it's not all that uncommon. In fact, I think it's an option RCs should exercise more often. I sat on a protest committee earlier this year when redress for a boat was sought by the RC based on their failure to signal an individual recall correctly. They scored the boat OCS and then requested redress for her. The issue was not whether the RC had acted improperly, but how to make a fair and equitable adjustment to the boat's score. That can only be done by a protest committee, after a hearing.
In handicap racing, I feel the only fair time limit I have devised is entirely based on the individual boat's handicap. It's more work for the RC, but it's a simple calculation to extract the target time for each boat using its rating.
To Bill's expansion of the question when it's a handicap race and the finish-after-first-finish TL isn't long enough to overcome the handicap with plenty of buffer, then that is a failing in the SI's and I would think maybe a basis for redress. I was the RC Chair for a fleet of 60+ PHRF boats which raced each week. We spent quite a bit of thought each year splitting the fleets into PHRF-classes and thinking about a fair TL. This was a Wed-night fleet, so we knew 6km was about max and worked out a fair (and fairly long) TL.
To Matt's suggestion that they could "keep racing", I don't think that can be fair to all boats unless there was a way for the RC to communicate to all boats that they were going to open a redress for the fleet. If the SI's required all boats to monitor a VHF channel, then I can see how that could be done. Otherwise, if I heard a gun and I had a 15 min TL, I'd have someone on my boat keeping track of it and we'd stop racing after it was clear we were TLE.
The discussion about redress is also interesting as I don't believe that it's an improper action of a RC to set an inadequate time limit in the SI. The RC has complete discression and surely, if it is permitted to make a decision that turns out to be a poor one, it's bad luck for the sailors, but Its not grounds for redress.