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  • Ant re: Albeit rather wordy, I like Ang's ...

    As short as I could get it was this rev 1

    However, a right-of-way boat, or one sailing within the room or mark-room to which she is entitled, need not act to avoid contact[comply with rules 14(a)-(c)] until it is clear that the other boat is not keeping clear or giving room or mark-room. 

    But I think absent a Case, above is lacking because we have seen in our examples lots of times where the KC boat IS KC'ing, but is at risk of hitting another boat or object.

    They could leave "however" as it is or as above on rev 1, but then I think a Case is needed that says what's in my Rev 2. 

    So the summary of the Case would say something like ... (note the absence of 14(a) because that's already clearly handled)

    A right-of-way boat, or one sailing within the room or mark-room to which she is entitled, need not act to comply with rules 14 (b) or (c) until it is clear that the other boat is unable to avoid contact with another boat or object.

    That said I think that, if the above is actually TRUE to what is intended (which importantly we do not know), that it's so important that it shouldn't be buried in a Case (except as a place holder until a rules-change can be implemented). 

    Rev 2 incorporates it all in one place ... ("clean" however-clause version below)(clean until I made another "improvement" lol)

    However, a right-of-way boat, or one sailing within the room or mark-room to which she is entitled, need not act to comply with rules 14(a)-(c) until it is clear that the other boat is not keeping clear, [is] not giving room or mark-room, or is unable [will not be able] to avoid contact with another boat or object. 

    I think the change above from "is not" to "will not" better captures it.  I think the new 14(b)(c) requires a projection by a boat of what will likely occur.
    Yesterday 14:27
  • Ken ... I don't have any other-than-English regatta experience .. but I've been looking at your OP and the replies and have a couple thoughts. 

    Are you considering competing in this event or have you been asked to review the race docs as a member of the PC?  In either case, you have an opportunity to improve the docs by making queries and/or recommendations to the PC Chair and OA.  

    I take the view that "it takes a village" to run a regatta.  The vast, vast majority of regattas are run by volunteers with varying knowledge of the RRS and even the most knowledgeable and experienced people can make mistakes.  

    I've got myself a bit of a rep in my area for "helping" when I find potential issues with the race docs in events for my J/105 fleet and reaching out ASAP to the OA or RC depending upon if the issue is in the NOR or SI or both. I figure it's always best to give them a heads-up about things early ... so they can try to fix it up before racing and not try to untangle an error, problem or conflict later in a hearing.

    You will find some people are grateful for the heads-up ... some will get defensive. In the end, if you are only a competitor or the PC ... neither the NOR or SI are "your" docs .. they are theirs. 

    If you are being asked to serve on the RC ... or help the OA .. then that's a different matter.  You are then in a better position effect the change. 
    Sat 12:35
  • Sounds good John
    24-Nov-11 12:25
  • Mark re: "Maybe we need a new thread 2025-2028 RRS Rule 14."

    Sounds good. Wanna frame that up and get it rolling?
    24-Nov-10 18:56
  • A lot of the cases have been pulled for updating, hopefully an answer pops back up as they are reviewed.
    24-Nov-04 11:59
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