The Racing Rules of Sailing
16.1, 11 and luffing rights
North is up. Wind is from East and blowing about 5 kts.
First question: Y and B are approaching a bridge and the next mark is well beyond the bridge to the NNW. These are 34ft keelboats. And, in the moment, B is slightly faster so Y comes up (from more than two boat lengths away) to luff B up. Everyone on both boats knows what is about to happen... Y decides to luff up several times. Each time Y turns up B responds and each time Y turns down B pursues. This brings them closer and closer together so that by the third attempt to luff, the two boats are very close and Y cannot turn up more than shown without hitting B. B calls for room to keep clear and Y protests under 11. No contact at any point.
Second question: At the time of the third luff B also hails saying she plans to call for water at the bridge. Y hails back a refusal, but ultimately turns down and gives room.
Conclusion - B rolls Y and wins, they all go and drink beers and the inevitable endless discussion ensues. Can you help us resolve this? Did Y break 16.1 or did B break 11? O both? Neither? Does B have the right to call for water, and if so, at what point?
Created: 22-May-15 23:53
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Blue cannot 'call for water'. This has no meaning under the rules. First, it will be rule 19 not 20 that applies once the boats are actually at the bridge. Second, rule 20 would not apply in this situation anyway as the boats are not close-hauled. Once they actually get to the bridge and if they are still overlapped then Yellow, as the outside boat, will have to give Blue room to go between her and the bridge. If they are not overlapped then neither boat is required to give room. But Yellow does not have to give Blue room until they are actually passing the bridge, that is Blue cannot turn to starboard without hitting the bridge. Yellow is under no obligation to give Blue room prior to that.
John, How would you have Blue hail for room at an obstruction if she cannot 'call for water'? I'm quite happy that rule 19 governs - I never meant to imply that rule 20 was at issue. Still, if there is a point at which Blue needs room at an obstruction she needs to be able to hail something. Rule 19 doesn't mention any specific terminology that is to be used or, conversely, is forbidden. (This post edited for clarity RE rule 19 and 20 references)
On this case - Blue will be entitled to room at the obstruction. However, when Yellow luffs for the third time both boats are a considerable difference from the bridge and the wall/causeway to the bridge, so rule 19 does not yet apply. At the last position shown on the diagram, I would argue that the boats are not yet 'at the obstruction' unless there is shallow water or rocks between them and the bridge.
Rules that are On and Off.
Rule 17 always off. Blue was passing windward.
Rule 11 is On. Yellow ROW.
Rule 16.1 could be On Limiting Yellow.
Luff 1 OK
Luff 2 OK but blue started bear down and got too close to the Yellow after the luff.
Luff 3 Blue failed under Rule 11 at Luff 3 unless Blue can claim 16.1 on Yellow.
OR
Blue thinks she is getting to close to the continuing obstruction that can only be pass one way. The obstruction is the bridge and also lack of safe sail-able water be it shallow water or rocks and is getting to close. This is blue's call on safety grounds.
Then Rule 19 turns On and then 19.C.2 "Rules 10 and 11 do not apply". Rule 11 is off.
Blue is the inside boat Yellow has to give room. Rule 19 does not require a hail or call for water.
So its really question is there a obstruction at luff 3 or not?
As for “water” at the bridge, Y as the outside boat was going to have to bear away eventually. B was just communicating her plan to ask for room when 19 turns on. No problem there either.
In summary, no rules broken. Y may have taken them both out of contention for the day, but maybe that’s what she needed to do.
Jon - First, rule 20 will not come into play at all here. Rule 20.1 outlines when it applies. One requirement is that the hailing boat must be sailing close-hauled or above, which clearly the boats are not.
Blue does not have to hail for room at the obstruction. There is nothing in rule 19 about hailing, which will be the rule that applies when the boats actually reach the obstruction. As they are not 'at a continuing obstruction' yet (roughly 3 boat lengths from it) yet or 'at the obstruction' (6-7 boat lengths from the opening), Yellow is under no obligation to give Blue room and could even continue to luff Blue if she chose to. Yellow let Blue off the hook here.
Rule 20 is the only rule where hailing comes into play. In fact, an argument can be made that Blue's hail actually broke rule 20.1. There is no such thing as a hail that you will need room in the future, just a hail that you need room at that moment. If Yellow had been really devious, she could have hailed 'you tack' and then protested Blue for not tacking immediately or improperly hailing.
Eric - B is required to keep clear of Y. By coming down with Y after each luff, Blue closed the distance to the point where Y could no longer change course in either direction without immediately making contact B is not keeping clear. B broke rule 11 in position 9, before the 3rd luff. See (b) in the definition of keep clear.
Gordon - I'm not sure how 107 fits in here. There is a big difference between hailing to avoid a collision and asking for room.
Gordon - Yellow never hailed that she wanted to come up or wanted Blue to give room to come up.
Paul - yes Blue's actions were immediate in each case. The wind was light, the sea was flat, so there was little to distract. At each change in course by Y, B responded immediately.
John - sorry about my second comment. I reversed 19 and 20 there and have edited to correct. Ooops. With that in mind, you say that there is no such thing as a hail that you will need room in the future, and I agree that such a hail isn't mentioned in the rules. But, is it against the rules? We commonly hail that we will be calling for water at an obstruction before we get to the obstruction. Especially when racing with unfamiliar boats. This just seems like a basic safety precaution at an obstruction to make sure no-one ends up on the rocks because of confusion in the moment.
John - in your response to Eric, you say Blue broke 11 at position 9, before the 3rd luff - but Yellow was able to change course without immediate contact and she did just that. Subsequently, the gap close to about two or three feet at the beam.
Eric - concludes accurately that at position 11 Blue couldn't come up without swinging her stern into Yellow. If this therefore limits Yellow's luffing rights, it must be the heart of the matter. (I am open to the idea that preceding events created this moment.) In that moment, do Yellow's luffing rights cease? Yellow says that Blue has a continuing obligation to keep clear and that her inability to come up further without touching means 11 was broken - full stop. Yellow further contends that she had an initial obligation under 16.1 but that it did not continue.
Based upon the fact "the two boats are very close, and Y cannot turn up more than shown without hitting B." It appears that at position 9, Yellow cannot change course in both directions without immediately making contact. Therefore, Blue is not keeping clear and has broken rule 11.
It seems to me from the diagram that Y could sail close hauled all the way up to the bridge to a point where Y has just enough room to bear away but B is forced to tack to avoid the bridge and then subsequently gybe to get back on course.
If Y was sailing close hauled then B would never be between Y and the Bridge. Would Y not be in the inside boat and B the outside boat? So would B need to give Y room to bear away 19.2b
If Y is close hauled then B is always able to avoid the obstruction, just in completely the wrong direction.
If the boats sailed all the way up to the bridge and then ran along side it, then the bridge a continuing obstruction and 19.2(b) governs if the boats are overlapped when they reach the obstruction and 19.2(c) governs if they are not overlapped. If they just sail from the last position shown then the bridge is not a continuing obstruction and it is governed by 19.2(b). In the Match Racing Call Book, calls B15, B16, B19, there are a bunch of examples of how to apply rule 19 as boats approach an obstruction. These would apply to fleet racing as well as these rules aren't changed by Appendix C.
However, if Y wants to be more sure, she can hold course at points 9 or 10 followed by further luffing.
Let me ask it a different way - what limits, if any, does 16.1 put on Y at position 9, 10, or 11?
Read WS Case 88. A boat may avoid contact and yet fail to keep clear.