I would like others' opinions on a recently seen protest form.
This is from a recent protest, but it is not subject to any appeal.
When the form was submitted it included details of the protestor in the appropriate place on the form.
The area on the form where details of the protestee should be entered was left blank.
The description of incident included the sail number of a boat that the protestor considerd had broken a rule.
Does the inclusion of a sail number in the description of incident meet the requirements of 60.3(a)?
Presumably, the RC has made an effort to provide unique sail numbers on the water, too. Not always successful....
Yes, it does, in my view. I probably see more forms like this than not. It's fine (Edit: I would confirm with the protestor that the boat mentioned in the incident description is the protestee. If not, then there's a 60.3(a) problem.).
As described the hearing request seems to conform with the rule.
However, it could lead to an invalid hearing being commenced if the incorrect sail number was put in the incident description.
I suppose this is the same as the wrong sail number being provided in the respondent's box and when this is established the hearing request should then be declared invalid.
The electronic system used at my club will not allow a protest to be submitted unless there is an entry in the respective fields of Initiator, respondent and incident description so people are prompted to ensure all necessary info is provided.
This of course would be user-friendly. Unfortunately being user-friendly does not seem to be on the agenda of many of those who write the systems we are obliged to use.
Each system seems to be good at one aspect of event management and poor at others. As a result, a major multi-class event I am attending is intending to use M2S for entries, Halsail for results and RRS for the protest committee!
A supplementary question:
A competitor delivers a protest identifying the boat as, for instance 'the sailor from XXX (country) who always wears a pink life jacket. After the protest time limit, the competitor discovers the correct sail number. Rule 60.3 does not allow for information to be corrected or updated.
What should the competitor do?
If the competitor delivers a second protest with the protestee's sail number, should the PC extend the time limit.
Though the new Part 5 doesn't specifically state that protest information can be updated, it doesn't say that it can't either.
I think information can be updated with more specificity as long as the min at filing is submitted. They could submit a drawing after the PTL for instance if the min's are met.
So in your example, as long as there is only one pink PFD out there and then later they supply the sail #, that seems fine to me. I think the PC should determine at the beginning of the hearing during validity if in fact the sailor wore a pink PFD.
So what if they give you a sail # that is not even registered in the event? (They indicated they were unsure of the number prior to giving us the form.) Do you go ahead and tell them so they understand that it’ll be invalid if they file it? We did.
I'm still waiting for a protest to be filed this way. I have strange things on my judge's bingo card. :)
Please post if you do.
Is the PC or jury sec. able to identify the boat?
If the form and hearing advice was displayed on the noticeboard and the protestee is listed as 'the guy with the pink shirt and orange hat' and no one turns up at the hearing and I would not know where to find them I would have some difficulty is saying the protestor had properly advised who the protestee was.
There you go Ang!
It's a key part of my judge training materials. Always generates a good conversation.
Though the new Part 5 doesn't specifically state that protest information can be updated, it doesn't say that it can't either.
RRS 60.3 clearly states: WHEN DELIVERED...
When is a protest delivered? I would argue that it is delivered when it is handed over to the race office, or entered by the protestor into the electronic system.
I see no provision for changing in any way the required information after the protest has been delivered.
I agree. However, there is nothing to prevent a protestor from submitting a further protest with the necessary information if it is within the time limit.
I would not consider it good reason to extend the time limit if the revised protest came in too late.