Forum: The Racing Rules of Sailing

Redress for how many races??

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Niko Kotsatos
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In the 4th race of a 6 race regatta, Boats A and B make contact and the Boat A helm gets hit in the head and claims being stunned and mentally foggy. Boat A finishes the race and Boat B RAF's, acknowledging breaking a non-exonerated rule vs Boat A. Boat A does not race in the next 2 races. Boat A receives redress for the race during which they were hit in the head.

Q1: Should/could Boat A have also requested redress from the remaining races?

Q2: What questions should be asked by the jury to determine whether the redress is appropriate for races 5 and 6?


Created: Tue 13:51

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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
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Boat A can ask for redress in any race or for any reason she damn well chooses.

RRS 60.1(b) A boat may request redress.

Whether she is entitled to redress and if so what the redress should be is a different question.

RRS 62.1(b) says

redress shall be based on a claim or possibility that a boat’s score or place in a race or series has been or may be, through no fault of her own, made significantly worse by ...  injury or physical damage because of the action of a boat that was breaking a rule of Part 2 and took an appropriate penalty or was penalized

A boat that is prevented from finishing a race by injury or damage caused by another boat in accordance with that rule will usually be given redress.

In this case Boat A finished Race 4, but did not finish Races 5 and 6.

The question the protest committee needs to resolve is whether the injury to the boat's skipper prevented her from competing in Races 5 and 6.

If it was possible for Boat A to compete in Races 5 and 6 but she chose not to, then her DNC scores in those races are through fault of her own and she is not entitled to redress.

If Boat A had raced in Races 5 and 6, then the protest committee would be able to compare her performance in those races with her performance in Races 1, 2, 3, and 4, and form a conclusion whether her performance was significantly worse:  if it was, she may be entitled to redress, but if it wasn't, her place or score has not been made significantly worse and she is not entitled to redress.

The protest committee may consider the frank severity of the injury:  if the skipper staggers into the protest hearing, head swathed in bloodstained bandages, and bumping into furniture, he or she may be entitled to either an Oscar or redress.  The skipper may be able to producce medical evidence, or a certificate stating the degree of impairment.

The fact that Boat A finished Race 4 does not necessarily prove that she could have competed in Races 5 and 6.  It may be that the skipper, after finishing, received medical treatment and advice not to race in those races.

The inability of the skipper to race may or may not be reason enough to preveent the boat from racing.  In a small dinghy to absence of the skipper may be quite sufficient reason for not racing while in a larger keelboat, it may reasonably expected that replacement crew can be found and the boat remains capable of racing.
Created: Wed 05:31
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Michael Butterfield
Nationality: United Kingdom
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I think this is really about the number of races you can claim for, you have to have sailed at least 50%.

So with this in mind you cannot have redress for three races in a six race series. 

It depends on if the criteria for redress are met and the later missed races were because of the injury. 

Assuming the were:-
Either redress for two races, including the race of the accident

Or

Count the score on accident day and give redress for two races based on races 1 to 3.
Mike
Created: Wed 09:44
Leo Reise
Nationality: Canada
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Yes, Boat A can ask for redress for 3, 4, & 5, but as pointed out, whether it is granted or not is another question.

Reading the question of injury, the first one I would ask is "Do the helmsman seek medical help?" Most of us, at least in Canada, have taken the a concussion protocol course. "I feel fogy" does not cut it in my book except to say "You had better seek medical help!".  Medical assessment stating concussed is another matter.  My approach would be to count "3" and RDG 4 & 5.     
Created: Wed 11:20
Doc Sullivan
Nationality: United States
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Sounds like a closed head injury to me.  The skipper needs to complete a 5 day return to play protocol. The Canadians all know about Rowan’s law.  If I was there I could make the call but mostly you would need a medical evaluation but the history covers it.  If there can be a substitute skipper the boat could race. If 1 or 2 person boat or owner not willing to loan someone his/‘her boat then redress for the series should be given

Doc
Created: Wed 15:59
Doc Sullivan
Nationality: United States
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? Is a helmet warranted??  We still don’t have data to support that
Created: Wed 16:00
RYAN HAMM
Nationality: United States
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Yes you can request it and I would venture to guess that it would be granted if the reason they were not able to sail the following races was due to the injury.  But that is for judges to decide and a full description of the event as it occurred on the water.  
Created: Wed 17:05
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Angelo Guarino
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Hey Doc, I don't think I've seen anything for US Sailing judges regarding concussions and protocols. Is there a resource you rely upon?
Created: Wed 18:48
Doc Sullivan
Nationality: United States
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https://www.ontario.ca/page/rowans-law-concussion-safety   Here is the link I think the Canadians do it the best. When I was working I specialized in sports related injuries including concussions. Gave a talk at US sailing forum in Jacksonville. You can google the articles I wrote in bc scuttlebutt sailing 5 or   6 years ago about head injuries in youth and college sailing which included my recommendations 
Created: Yesterday 20:50
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