Forum: Event Management System (Q's, Comments & Suggestions)

Record time decision is published

Andrew Alberti
Appendix R (both the World Sailing and US Sailing versions) base appeal deadlines on " xx days after receiving the written decision".  With decisions published in this system we can see the date it is printed, but not the date the decision was published.  Is there a way that this could be added.
Created: Mon 21:33

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Paul Zupan
Administrator
Nationality: United States
We've added a Published time to the decision.  It is automatically time stamped when the decision status is set to either Publish Abstract or Publish Full Decision.  You will find the Published time stamp at the bottom of the decision.  You can also edit this time stamp on the Activity Tab when you edit the decision (only after the status has been changed to Publish Abstract or Full Decision).
Created: Mon 21:36
Andrew Alberti
Reply to: 19235 - Paul Zupan
Thank you. That is great. 
Created: Mon 23:00
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
RRS R2.1(a) setting the time limit for a party to send an appeal does not rely on when the decision was 'published'.  It relies on when the party 'receiv[ed] the protest committee's written decision'.

This, in turn relies on the right of a party under RRS 63.6(b) to receive the protest decision in writing.

RRS 63.6(b) If requested by a party in writing within seven days of being informed of the decision, the above information shall be provided promptly in writing

In the absence of some NOR/SI deeming an electronically published decision to be received by a party at some time, it can well be argued by a party that without the request and response transactions in RRS 63.6(b), they have never 'received' the written decision at all.

Do I correctly recall that the RRS.org system overcomes this by emailing the written decision to the parties as well as displaying it on the website?

Another approach that an Appeals Committee might take is to calculate an outside limit for the provision of the written decision as follows
  1. 7 days from party being informed of the decision under RRS 63.6(b) (usually at the close of the hearing) PLUS
  2. reasonable estimate of time for the protest committee to 'promptly provide' the written decision:  lets say 72 hours.
  3. So 10 days after the hearing for party to receive the written decision PLUS
  4. 7 days to consider under RRS R2.1
  5. TOTAL 17 days after the close of the hearing.
Anything longer than that is out of time.
Created: Mon 22:32
Andrew Alberti
Reply to: 19236 - John Allan
I realize there are a lot of ways this can be dealt with by appeals committee.  The great thing now is that Paul has added the “publish” date which gives the appeals committee information when they need it. 

Sometimes decisions are published within minutes of the end of the hearing. Sometimes decisions are not published until much later.  
Created: Mon 23:08
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Benjamin Harding
Nationality: Hong Kong
Additionally (though I haven't tested it), does that time stamp record and fix the first time Publish Abstract or Publish Full Decision is pressed.? Not the last.

Often I publish abstract, with intention of publishing full decision later after spelling and grammar is corrected.  The clock starts ticking at the 'abstract', and doesn't reset after the full decision I suppose.

Created: Yesterday 03:59
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Benjamin Harding
Nationality: Hong Kong
Well, I just tested.

I first published abstract at 12:57.  Waited a minute, and published full.  The 'published' timestamp on the form was 12:58.

Then I waited a minute, and changed back to abstract.  12:59.

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Was the published time, the 'last time' either was pressed?  I think probably should be the first time - e.g. the first time the decision (in any form) was made public.

=If([published time] ="", then [publish abstract or full pressed time], else [published time].)
Created: Yesterday 05:04
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Michael Butterfield
If you keep editing, is it not correct the time should run from the last version published?

Created: Yesterday 12:10
Andrew Alberti
I would agree.  Last published date is what I would count. 
Created: Yesterday 14:54
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Benjamin Harding
Nationality: Hong Kong
Whose talking about 'keep editing'?

I'm talking about correcting a couple of typos perhaps. 
Created: Yesterday 15:32
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Paul Zupan
Administrator
Nationality: United States
It records the time you change the status to Publish whether to abstract or to full decision.  There is a status of pending review that doesn't change the published timestamp.
Created: Yesterday 16:06
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Ben,  I'm talking about correcting a couple of typos perhaps. 

Roger Casement was hanged for a vergule.
Created: Yesterday 20:33
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