Forum: The Racing Rules of Sailing

A keen volunteer with a conflict of interest

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Benjamin Harding
Nationality: Hong Kong
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Here's a sample case.

*Facts*

At a youth event, a parent volunteer assigned to the launch (sign-in/sign-out) area witnesses a competitor in the same class as their child removing their PFD a few hundred metres from the slipway as they return after a hot day's sailing.  (The SIs require PFDs to be worn at all times while afloat.)

The parent volunteer (having recently read the RRS Introduction and RRS 60.1) eagerly enters the online hearing request form and, within the time limit, submits a protest against that competitor, marking the request as a 'Race Committee Protest'.  The online system automatically posts the protest on the Official Notice Board.

If the competitor is penalised, the volunteer's own child will gain an important place in the competition.

*Questions*

1.  Is the protest valid?
a) Is the parent volunteer a member of the race committee?
b) Does the restriction of RRS 60.4(b)(3) apply?

2.  What should the protest committee consider / How should the protest committee handle the case?

3.  Has the parent volunteer acted incorrectly in any way?
Created: Today 11:09

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Roger Wilson
Hi,

My view (been there!) is that the protest is invalid under RRS 60.4(b)(3).

In the past I have put a warning on the event messaging system / Notice to Competitors that the behaviour is unacceptable and I will get the PC to check that the behaviour is not repeated.


Created: Today 11:43
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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
I'll take a whack (nice one Ben!)

  1. Is the parent a member of the RC?
    1. Yes, Introduction: RC. They are performing an RC function IMO. 
  2. Does  60.4(b)(3) apply?
    1. Here is the rub. I've always read that restriction as pertaining to a "person" outside of the RC itself coming to the RC with a "report". 
      1. I can see now that my interpretation above is not clear as 60.4(b)(3) is written. 
    2. The check-in/out record the parent was keeping of kids and their PFD's, this would be an "RC Record" and not a "report".
    3. That said, the way 60.4(b)(3) is written is not clear at all. 
  3. Is it valid?
    1. I would say "yes"
  4. How would PC proceed?
    1. I would contact the PRO and make sure they are aware that the RC has filed a protest. It may have been against their internal policy for individual RC members to protest boats (without going through the PRO first). 
    2. If the PRO wants to proceed with the protest; I'd proceed normally (otherwise allow it to be withdrawn by the PRO if requested). 
  5. Did the parent act incorrectly
    1. Depends upon the policy established by the PRO on who/when/how RC protests are generated. 
Created: Today 11:52
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Michael Butterfield
I see this as a report by a racecomittee member on behalf of the committee. To me this is not a "person" who i see as someone outside the committee. 

I believe the protest should proceed. 

It is not our fault "race committee" is defined so widley, and we suffer from it when competitors speak to check in of safety boats and they say or do something. 
Created: Today 12:19
Alan Keen
Angelo,
Your points 1.1 and 3.
There is no doubt that the parent is a member of the RC, but I don't think that this single person is the Committee who is able to submit a protest under 60.1. So I would say No, invalid.
Created: Today 12:24
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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
Reply to: 19777 - Alan Keen
Alan ... Eventually a person has to submit (until AI takes over).  RC is defined in Introduction as anyone doing an RC function. 
Created: Today 12:32
Alan Keen
Reply to: 19777 - Alan Keen
The introduction specifies who makes up the Race Committee. I don't understand it to mean that each single person is a committee. A dictionary definition and the common meaning of "committee" is "a group of people appointed for a specific function..." So until the committee (decides to ) submits a protest (and it could decide to appoint a single person to make that decision and submit), I would not consider this a valid protest. I think you are saying something similar in your point 4.
Created: Today 13:11
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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
Reply to: 19777 - Alan Keen
Alan .. here is the Introduction entry ...

Race committee         
The race committee appointed under rule 89.2(c) and any other person or committee performing a race committee function.

That deconstructs to ...

"Race Committee: .. any other person performing a race committee function.  

The RC can be "any other person" ... "person" being singular. 
Created: Today 13:55
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
Reply to: 19777 - Alan Keen
An individual, with the possible exception of the RO, cannot unilaterally take it upon themselves to act as agent for the race committee, unless the committee endorses or adopts that action.

I wouldn't be disturbed by an enthusiastic parent overstepping the mark, but if I saw a protest that wasn't authorised by someone I knew was authoritative on the race committee, I'd ask the race committee if it was a race committee protest, (and who their representative was going to be.).

The parent is a Support Person and has a conflict of interest.

The protest,  even if endorsed by the race committee, is invalid because it is based on a report from a person with a conflict of interest.

However the protest committee may have no reason to be aware of the conflict of interest, and possibly neither is the race committee.  The rules, very sensibly,  do not require members of the race committee to be free of conflicts of interest and only members of the protest committee are required to declare conflict of interest in a hearing.

I would not normally enquire of a representative or witness of a committee that was protesting whether the had a conflict of interest.

If no evidence of a conflict of interest is brought before the protest committee they are likely to conclude that the protest is valid and continue to hear and decide it.

If the protest committee concludes that the protest is invalid it can still proceed under RRS 69.
Created: Today 15:21
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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
Reply to: 19777 - Alan Keen
John A re: "An individual, with the possible exception of the RO, cannot unilaterally take it upon themselves to act as agent for the race committee, unless the committee endorses or adopts that action."

As you have so often stated, the RRS is an open rules set.  Where in the RRS do you find the above restriction?
Created: Today 15:55
Jim Champ
Nationality: United Kingdom
If I were the RC leader I would be disturbed by a volunteer submitting a protest without agreement from the RC heirarchy. Clearly this is not really an RC protest. So I would seriously consider withdrawing the protest unless the RC as a whole considered it desirable. But this is internal RC admin, not RRS. Presumably as an RC protest it need not, maybe ought not be led by the volunteer, so it would be easy to cancel. I might, indeed, as RC chair, consider that a withdrawn protest was quite enough to make the point. So I think Angelo's 4.1 and 4.2 are crucial.
Created: Today 12:39
Ric Crabbe
Nationality: United States
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As a parent who does volunteer work like launching or checking in/out boats all the time, I would absolutely not consider myself a part of the RC.  The criterion I would use is, would I enter this into my SOARS? (The US Sailing RC/PC activity tracker) I’m no different from the parent that provides snacks for the coach boat. From another perspective, if I were PRO, would I consider some random parent part of my team? Probably not
Created: Today 12:48
Jim Champ
Nationality: United Kingdom
Reply to: 19780 - Ric Crabbe
Ric, its a bit gray. If there's a release/tally system under which competitors can be penalised for breaking then whoever runs it and reports breaches to the RC is surely a part of the RC. A parent who helps launch a few boats is clearly not RC, but in this case the parent was 'assigned', so I think they are acting as part of the RC. After all such roles are normally performed by volunteers who will often be parents.
Created: Today 13:03
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Benjamin Harding
Nationality: Hong Kong
Reply to: 19780 - Ric Crabbe
Ric, at some clubs, events are heavily populated in all RC areas by (parent) volunteers.  Mark-layers, finish boat record keepers, committee boat time keepers, safety boat rib drivers are all RC functions.  Our sport relies on parents to sometimes take on clear race committee functions.  I don't think we can discount them as being part of the RC.  At least the Introduction includes volunteers as RC if they are performing an RC function.

My question is posed such that the questions and issues apply too any parent volunteer in any of those race committee functions.


Created: Today 13:11
Niko Kotsatos
Nationality: United States
Reply to: 19780 - Ric Crabbe
l RC areas by (parent) volunteers. Mark-layers, finish boat record keepers, committee boat time keepers, safety boat rib drivers are all RC functions. Our sport relies on parents to sometimes take on clear race committee functions. I don't think w...
I agree with Ric here. 90.1 says that the Race Committee's job is to conduct races as directed by the organizing authority. The volunteer parent has (most likely) been assigned to their post by the OA, and not by the RC/PRO. There is almost certainly a list of RC members that would not include the parent.

However, to respond with Ben Harding's comment that if this were a parent on a mark-boat instead in mind, then I think I agree with Ang's points above. I will add that while this protest may appear petty to some, if it were a valid protest, and brought facts to light, then I feel strongly that a violation of safety rules (by a minor) may in fact be more important than a violation of the rules of sportsmanship or fair sailing. There is no room for a minor to interpret the "unwritten intent" of a safety rule as someone suggested.

Lastly, when hearing this protest (after validity), I would take specific note of the conflicts of interest when hearing testimony and determining facts found. For this reason, the parent would have done well to involve others both at time of sighting and at time of filing if their goal is to hold the competitor to task here.
Created: Today 17:46
Paul Baehr
Nationality: Canada
1. A protest  has been “submitted”. Just because it was in the time limit does not make it “valid”. But it should be heard.
2. The hearing will decide whether it meets criteria of being valid proceed.
3. If it does, the  protest will be heard according to the formal process. Each side will state their case. Witnesses for either side may be called by the “litigants” if they choose to do so.
4. The jury will convene “in camera” and decide the outcome.

Now to my opinion as a  club certified judge.

We can assume that that child is there because he/she is contending that the fact that they broke a rule and that rule is pretty unambiguous. The life belt was either removed or it was not. The determination of the outcome will depend, as it often does, on the credibility of the parties and their witnesses outcome. 

The burden rests on the protestor to make their case. Because they will benefit (indirectly) from the outcome I would focus on the credibility of their witnesses.

If the protester has no witnesses and the child is credible, with or without witnesses, I would dismiss the protest.

If the protester’s case was rock solid I would ask my fellow jury members consider whether there is Rule 69 sanction that comes into play.

Created: Today 13:05
Eric Meyn
Let’s just say that the adult is determined to be eligible to submit the protest and, by the letter of the rules, the sailor did violate the rule. I think in any set of rules there is always the unwritten intent behind those rules. We see this time and time again in cases that are put into the case books in order to set precedent for situations just like this where there are vagaries or people attempting to gain an advantage by using the rules as a weapon. In this case, we don’t know why the sailor removed the pfd early. For a sailor still sailing it seems an unusual action so close to shore. Was it chafing? Was it defective and causing issues that might make coming ashore less safe than leaving it on? And why is the adult calling them on it. Did the sailor truly endanger themselves by doing so? That’s the intent of the rule, right? Can the adult definitively say they did this because they truly had the best interests of that sailor in mind? How many adult sailors doff their pfd when the last race concludes on a hot day for a comfortable sail back to the beach? Would I turn them in because I was concerned for them or because they broke a rule deserving of their disqualification of the performance they put in on the water. Intent matters. The intent of the rule, intent of the sailor, intent of the RC 
Created: Today 14:19
Rob Rowlands
As a veteran of youth events as a parent, PRO and CJ I offer this. 

Safety first, last, always. 

As a matter of protocol,  RC volunteers to let the PRO know of any incident which might be contrary to the rules and let the PRO decide whether a protest is warranted. 

Requiring PFDs is a no brainer and should be a rule and in my opinion be subject to a DP. 

Such arrangements provide for safety, avoiding conflict of interest and a dose of doing the right thing. 
Created: Today 16:33
Jim Champ
Nationality: United Kingdom
> 3.  Has the parent volunteer acted incorrectly in any way?
I submit that its always wrong to present an individual action as having been made by a committee. A committee is about collective responsibility.That's not RRS, that's "the sense ordinarily understood in nautical or general use."
Created: Today 17:27
Doc Sullivan
Nationality: United States
Reply to: 19792 - Jim Champ
I would have this as a discretely penalty in the SI and treat it as a report
Created: Today 17:36
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