Forum: Protest Committee & Hearing Procedures

On-the-water "3-minute Justice" NOR/SI/Appendix?

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Angelo Guarino
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Nationality: United States
Anyone have documents/text to implement on the water hearings?

Asking for a friend :-)
Created: Today 12:11

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Michael Butterfield
Fleet or team race? 
Created: Today 12:14
Gordon Davies
Nationality: Ireland
In match, team and umpired fleet racing the rules leave the on-the-water procedure to the discretion of the umpires. 
Radio sailing uses various procedures to accelerate procedures:
 - SYRPH (SYstem for the Reduction of the number of Protest Hearings) : a distant cousin of arbitration that allows a party to accept a lesser penalty after reading the protest and being made aware of what official observers saw.
- Accelerated Protest Procedure: Protests delivered orally, recorded in writing by umpire. Hearings scheduled by hailing. Followed by a procedure similar to SYRPH. Hearings are held immediately afterwards.
Created: Today 12:49
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John Allan
Nationality: Australia
I'm the friend.

Thanks Gordon and Mike.

I think what I want to see is US Sailing Appendix V from 2013 or earlier.

What I'm looking for is some elegant SI language, particularly about setting protest time limit differentially for Part 2/31/28 breaches (on water, shortly after finishing) and other protests and requests for redress.

RRS C6.1(b) and 6.4(b) won't work for the solo unstayed dinghies I have in mind, and i don't want to load up the RC with the blue flag requirements from Appendix UF..


Created: Today 13:32
Dan Bowman
Nationality: United States
Angelo,
Check with SSA, they have 3 minute justice for the ILCA fleet during winter.
Created: Today 13:49
Giff Constable
Nationality: United States
Angelo, I think this is the latest version we're using at American Yacht Club. Downside is it is not the easiest thing for sailors to understand.

These rules apply to all hearings except hearings under RRS 69.

  1. A boat intending to protest or request redress based on an incident in the racing area that she is involved in or sees shall, at the first reasonable opportunity after she finishes, inform the race committee at the finishing line of her intent to protest or request redress and, when applicable, the identity of the protestee.

  2. If the protest committee is able to assemble the parties to a hearing before the protest or redress time limit, it may begin the hearing and may waive the requirements of RRS 60.3, and thus 60.4(a)(1), or RRS 61.2, and thus 61.3.

  3. The US Sailing prescriptions to the preamble to RRS Part 5, Section B and RRS 63.1 are deleted.

  4. RRS 63.4(a) is changed to: ‘If there is no objection, the protest or request is valid. If an objection is made, the protest committee shall consider validity.  The hearing shall be closed if’

  5. Replace the third sentence of RRS 63.4(b) with the following: ‘However, the committee may limit the number of witnesses and the time during which parties may present evidence and ask questions.’

  6. RRS 63.6(b) is changed to: ‘If requested by a party in writing within 30 minutes of being informed of the decision, the above information shall be provided promptly in writing and the protest committee may, if it considers it relevant to do so, prepare or endorse a diagram.

  7. RRS 63.7(b) is changed to: ‘A party to the hearing may not ask for a reopening.’

Committee Protests - A committee intending to protest a boat, following an incident that is observed in the racing area, may, at the first reasonable opportunity, inform the boat by making a sound signal, hailing "protest" and her sail number. The signaled boat may then take a penalty as available under RRS 44. This changes RRS 60.2(a)(2) and Appendix D1.2(b).
Created: Today 15:12
Scott Williamson
Angelo, send me an email and I can provide the three minute justice documents that we use with the ILCA fleet at SSA. My email address is laserfleet10@gmail.com.
Created: Today 16:20
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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
Scott ... can you just cut/paste some text here?
Created: Today 16:35
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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
I just got this from Andrew Cole (forum member) ...

PROTEST PROCEDURE – 3 MINUTE JUSTICE

Three minute justice is a protest hearing system that takes the burden off of the race organizers.  It is a system that has been around for years. The former head coach of the Old Dominion Sailing Team, K.C. Fullmer was the first to introduce it to the USTRA. Currently, the system has been used at many regattas including the USTRA Midwinters. The race organizers do not have to form a protest committee. The burden of forming a committee is put on the shoulders of the parties involved in the protest.  

For the Frostbite Series it will work like this:

If you feel have been fouled and you desire to protest another boat for an infringement of the RRS as applied to the Frostbite Series or, if you have been protested this is the process to follow:

  • Hail the boat at the time of the incident and state that you are protesting them (if you are unable to hail at the time of the incident, inform the boat at the earliest time subsequent to the incident.
  • Inform the Race Committee at the earliest time subsequent to the incident, at the end of racing or upon arrival of the RC boat to the SSA dock.
  • Find another sailor to act as one member of the Protest Jury

The Protest will be held in the upstairs classroom of the SSA Clubhouse as soon as practical.  All sailors are invited to observe.  This room has a whiteboard, markers and magnetic boats to reenact the incident.

  • The sailor protesting has one minute to present their case to the Protest Jury.
  • The sailor being protested has one minute to present their case to the Protest Jury.
  • Both sailors are excused from the Protest room.
  • The Protest Jury then has one minute to make a decision.  The Jury is strongly encouraged to make a decision, which is final.
  • If the Protest Jury cannot come to a decision then the protest is disallowed.
  • The outcome is then passed on to the Fleet Captain and the Scorer for inclusion into the day’s scoring.


Created: Today 16:34
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