Hi everybody.
Is it true that if a mark in a gate is missing, and in absence of proper instruction on SI, the remaining mark can be taken on either side?
I don't see any logic in it (actually looks dangerous) but I've been told that's on a Q&A, that anyway cannot find.
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Absent that or an instruction in the SIs - you certainly have cause to abandon, but there's nothing that says you have to.
(The "Q&A" you may be thinking of is WS Case 82, but that applies to ambiguous finish lines, not gates.)
The question is would a racer know to abandon racing if they get there before noticed by RC?
Would it be worthwhile for Rule 34 to speak to either a port-rounding default or abandonment in this case, for safety-sake? - Ang
PS: Also the SI’s would have to been written such that the marks’ distinctions were described as well as their “side”.
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So is a must to state in the SIs this possibility, and how to cope.
Though, if the fleet is already scattered when one buoy disappear, and some boat take the remaining buoy on port, other boats on starboard, well, maybe no need to abandon the race. Maybe.
That's a very big "maybe." As a race officer, I avoid creating redress situations if at all possible. That's just asking for a redress hearing.
Of course, there's the problem for the boats, of determining which mark is still there. As Angelo says, we could make the gate marks different colors. Why don't we commonly do that?
As Matthew points out, many SIs have a provision saying that if one gate mark is missing, the other is to be left to port. If there is such an SI, no effort should be made by the RC to replace the missing mark until everybody is around it.
Wouldn’t that be handy if we developed the custom of Red/Green gate marks?
PS: Matthew that goes to my other comment, it depends on how the gate is described. Often it is described as Rob indicates ... pass R to STB AND L to port this going between satisfies. Actually, come to think about it, if one of those are missing, you can’t satisfy one of those requirements.
You could do it, but you've now placed another burden on the RC to get it right - and you take away a commonly used mechanism for a minor gate adjustment - the "flip-flop" (moving one mark to the opposite side of the other, which typically does not require signalling a course change at the weather mark).
I wouldn't want to be in the redress hearing when the RC gets the marks mixed up.
Also, what about red/green color blindness? Are you going to have a green tet and a red tomato? I foresee an MBO revolt.
My original question refers only when SI says nothing about it.
Good point the redress line out of Jury room to attend. Surely to be avoided.
Thanks you all
Should such an SI call out that it changes 28.2(c)?
I also came to similar thoughts when considering what may be on the new quad and how it might impact this discussion. Assuming the new definition “Sail the Course” survives to the published 2021 quad, (as we saw it in the ‘Draft 1’ that was published) having “a default” in the SI’s might be a little trickier to word. Somehow one would have an SI that converts the remaining gate-mark to a rounding-mark without touching the new “Sail the Course” definition.
Maybe one approach would be to think about the change of the gate to a rounding-Mark as a ‘change of course’ ... but one can’t do that in the middle of a fleet.
Ang
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A problem arises if a mark is missing and has not been replaced in a manner specified in RRS 34, which requires substitution with a similar mark or an object displaying flag “M”. ISAF Question and Answer 2009-034 says that with only one mark remaining there is no gate and the remaining mark has no required side. The consequence of this is likely to be abandonment of the race. To avoid this problem, race committees are recommended to specify a required side when only one mark of a gate is present so that there will still be a mark with a required side. Boats would then round the remaining mark as any other single rounding mark.
The suggested SI to be inserted in the courses section is: A gate may be replaced by a single mark to be left to port (or starboard).