Hi everybody
Just for confirmation: in a windward/leeward course, 3 rounds, boat A approaching mark 1 for the third time, and boat B, slower, or due to some technical inconvenience, approaching mark 1 for the second time, they are on different leg, for the sake of rule 23.2, right?
Seems unfair.
I can see the rule applying when you are on different legs windward or leeward.
Are then both not on the same leg a windward leg?
I would suggest that one thought picture here is that in some imaginary world leg 3 and leg 5 are nowhere near each other so the boats would not be able to interfere with each other. Since for practical purposes we run them in the same physical location, we limit the amount of interference.
Typical quiz/situation: windward mark, boat L does not bear away, preventing boat W also from bearing away.
Usually the quiz/situation/solution ends as: L is not obliged to bear away at the mark, if RRS 17 is not in force (proper course)
Well, i would add: if RRS 17 AND RRS 23.2 are not in force, AND if the interference does not break RRS 2, meaning if that interference is made only for L score advantage, and not in favour of another boat, in a sort of team racing.
And 23.2 would apply if both boats are on different legs, as per my question.
The rules do not require a boat to know what lap a boat is on. That would only add an unsafe condition and ambiguity. It only requires you to know they are headed to the same mark that you are.
The clause "However, after the stating signal this rule does not apply when the boat is sailing her proper course" prevents hunting. Boats on different legs of the course are all sailing under the rules as normal and a boat on a run and going to weather do what they always do: all are sailing normally under 10, 11 and such.
The clause prevents hunting but allows you to sail with rights that cause a give way boat to alter course to avoid you; as long as you are on your proper course.
1) the case 126 is a different situation.
2) ."" sailing on the leg which is consistent "" is ok, as a general sentence, but the example was about a boat apparently wandering about. A course going to a mark can be consistent to that mark, and still not being on the same leg.
3) I agree that a boat is not obliged to know which leg is the other boat, ok, agreed, but as long as she is not hindering other boats; otherwise, she better know.
Well that's my thought.
I admit, I'm stubborn....
2 legs
This would be very messy to rule. And possibly even harder for the sailors to get their heads around on the water.
New leg after every mark
While we now have no problems with the rules 28 and 31, boats have to be aware of 23.2.
This rule has some fine print to it.
In itself it is very limited. It only applies if a boat react to the presence of the other boat (as in no longer sailing her proper course) and she is interfering with it.
Case 126
The terms "windward leg to the windward mark", "leg of the course to the leeward mark" and "leg from the windward mark to the offset mark" are describing what particular leg of the course they were sailing. We don't know if the course had multiple rounds.
In the answer 3 boat L was sailing upwind towards the offset mark. While she maybe also sailing toward windward, she is on her leg from point A to point B. Sailing in the same directions is not sailing on the same leg.
A boats on a leg that uses the same marks to begin, bound and end the leg are on the same leg. For boats on a beat to windward that would be leg 3, leg 5, leg 7, etc, which only occurs on a course with six or more legs.
Leg 2 : Mark 1 to Mark 2
Leg 5 : Mark 2 to Mark 1
Leg 6 : Mark 1 to Finish
Leg 1 : Start to Mark 1
Leg 2 : Mark 1 to Mark 2
Leg 5 : Mark 2 to Finish
Seems a good reason to not run anything longer than a double windward leeward.
Since it’s undefined, we commonly refer to legs by their unique numbers, in the order that they are sailed. If we were ID’ing an incident for a protest filing, we would refer to the leg as “the 3rd leg of the course” interchangeably with “2nd windward leg”, each unique.
Therefore 23.2's particulars exonerate any misunderstanding.
The overtaking boat should expect to be luffed.
No revision of 23.2 or definition of "leg" is needed.