In a multi-class weeknight race, the centerboards (Fireball, Laser, etc.) are approaching the long starting line to
start, all near the signal boat end. A 33-foot boat scheduled for a subsequent start is meandering around the middle of the line. After some harsh words from the centerboards, the 33-footer turns away, but she is still close enough to the line in the final seconds before the gun that she blocks the view of the pin for starters (who are worried about being OCS) between the 33-footer and the RC.
The SI does not have a prohibition of boats not in sequence from being in the starting area. That leaves RRS
23.1. There is no issue of "
keep clear", as the centerboards do not have to take avoiding action.
Question: Is the big boat "interfering" with boats that are
racing?
Let's go to the dictionary. Free Dictionary says "to be or create a hindrance or obstacle", while Merriam-Webster says "to interpose in a way that hinders or impedes : come into collision or be in opposition".
My initial take is that the big boat meets the first definition, but not the second.
Comments?
I can see the administrative difficulty of advising a boat that has no radio comms, that they are in another fleet's start, and to leave or be DSQ'd, but in keelboat classes that often have a VHF, there's no excuse for not broadcasting a reminder before each start, and penalizing the offenders.
Perhaps we need a new rule 30.5 that requires the RC to display sail numbers of offenders and once displayed, that offender is given the equivalent of a DNC; I can think of many acronyms for this behaviour but let's keep it clean and call it DNKO "did not keep out". !!
- John
Protest her, DSQ in the nearest race, she'll learn for the next time
PS: I think the RC might have considered postponing the start and starting the sequence over.
A Club running these events without using this wording has no basis to penalise a boat that is 'in the way' but has not broken any rules.
a) If you're trying to tune in a radio station and failing for the reasons you state, you're not getting interference from the building, the radio station is. You're just in a place with no radio signal.
b) I think you're just mistaken about whether an American football defender would be penalized for pass interference as a result of blocking the view of a receiver without touching him. I've certainly never seen such a penalty, and I've seen many a defender who blocked the view of a pass receiver. I'm by no means a football expert, but I'm unaware of any rule that protects a receiver's view of the ball.
I agree with Nick Hutton that it was a mistake to omit language in the SI that keeps boats not racing away from the starting area, but since it appears they did in this case, I think his last sentence can be shortened: "A Club...has no basis to penalize a boat that...has not broken any rules."
Like I said. I’m taking my best stab at making the case “for the sake of discussion”.
What about my points #1-#3?
Before one can determine if Boat A interferes with Boat B .. shouldn’t one consider what Boat B is doing or attempting to do?
Are they rounding a mark?, attempting to tack? sail to windward? Start?
The question remains: Is a boat not racing but blocking the view of the starting mark "interfering" with boats attempting to start?
I like Tim's new "letter" score. Since we now have NSC (Not Sailed Course) we might add NKO (Not Keep Out).
If I had been the race officer I hope I would have postponed.
Correct.
a n d .... i definively add....
.... If I had been the race officer I would have protested her under 23.1
Looks you are quite timid at time of protesting and DSQing. Boats that do not behave are annoying other boats, so if you let them, you are not making a favour to the fleet.
One can dream can't they? :-)
And about the "annoying", also to clarify my point (Angelo) : interfering IS breaking a rule. Boat breaking rules are annoying.
OK, the protest should first come from the boats, rather than the RC, but sometime RC or PC have to take the initiative.
Well, in the case of a boat that makes me repeat a starting sequence, I definively will.
This incident did occur last Thursday. There was more to it than the hypothetical I posted above, as a centerboard did need to take avoiding action. Protest filed, big boat took a Post-Race Penalty, incident resolved, and hopefully lesson learned. Now waiting for the blessing of our Chief Judge for the proposed amendment to the SI, which includes that the RC "may" impose a 30% penalty on a boat they observe to be "interfering".