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Scoring Inquiry "System" SI Examples (taken from another thread)
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Angelo GuarinoCertifications:
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Just reposting ideas to the SI/NOR Language forum for future easy discovery. Feel free to add your ideas too. - Ang
From Jerry Thompson (comment with subsequent corrections applied)
From Jerry Thompson (comment with subsequent corrections applied)
X.1 After the scores are posted, competitors who disagree with the posted score may submit a Scoring Inquiry. Scoring Inquiry forms will be available at the Protest Desk. Scoring Inquiries shall be submitted to the Protest Desk no later than the end of the protest time limit or XX minutes after the scores are posted, whichever is later.
X.2 After the race committee posts a list of boats scored OCS, NSC, UFD, or BFD on the Official Notice Board, a Scoring Inquiry based on such a posted score may be submitted to the Protest Desk no later than the end of the protest time limit or XX minutes after posting, whichever is later.
X.3 A Request for Redress based on a Scoring Inquiry must be submitted no later than 30 minutes after the Scoring Inquiry has been answered. This changes RRS 61.2.
From Angelo Guarino (comment) .. (a version which takes more burden off the sailors by allowing a single filing)
SI X.1 Scoring Inquiries shall be delivered in writing to the Race Office ("RO") within the Protest Time limit or [30]/[45]/[60] minutes after scores are posted, which ever is later. Scoring Inquiry forms are available at the RO.
SI X.2 In the Scoring Inquiry, a boat may instruct the RO to transmit the Scoring Inquiry to the Protest Committee as a Request for Redress in the event her request for scoring change is denied. When these conditions are met, the RO shall do so. The resulting Request's timeliness shall be determined under SI X.1 based upon the Scoring Inquiry's delivery.
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1. Often the PRO answers the question to the satisfaction of the sailor without a scoring change. If they instruct the RO to transmit the scoring inquiry as redress in the event her scoring change is denied, it would go to the PC when denied for a legitimate reason that the competitor has accepted.
2. Information like witnesses you intend to call is worthwhile on a redress form and not on a scoring inquiry form.
SI X.1 is silent on what the RO "may" do if "both conditions" (the "instruction" and the "denial") are not met. An RO is still free to forward it if they please or not if they please.
On #2, listing witnesses is not a requirement for a R4R filing, so I don't see that as having bearing. In my experience, ScInq's will often have witnesses on them when that is in support of their claim. - Ang
1. I was scored OCS and believe there were 3 boats ahead of me that were not scored OCS
2. I filed a scoring inquiry online
3. I get an emailed response stating the PRO identified me on the tape as being OCS at the middle of the line, having crossed the line 3 seconds before the start and never returning.
4. The two suggestions here
A. I fire off a reply to please submit this as redress. That goes to the PRO who may be stacked up in other inquiries and finds it an undetermined time later, and easily could be more than 30 minutes.
B. I think about the reply and consider whether I'll be successful with a redress. Maybe I don't file. If I do, I fill out the easy online form listing Scoring Inquiry X as the reason. The PC gets it within 30 minutes and can schedule the hearing.
I think the redress forms give some more "thought" before firing off a frivolous filing that will go nowhere. It also lets the PC control their world with hearing schedules and knowing when their night is over.
JP
There's obviously a fine line between making it easy for the compe
This discussion is in the context that many believe that a Scoring Inquiry naturally already satisfies the R4R requirement .. if it is in writing and delivered to the Race Office within the PTL. This is based on the analysis that a Scoring Inquiry is making a claim that the RC made an error and it is a "request" that it to be "corrected" (redressed).
PS: For Example, the Race Office is delivered the following in writing within the PTL.
The RO sees that as a Scoring Inquiry, denies it and never forwards it to the PC.
Does the above meet the requirements of an R4R?
I usually use the following SIs:
Under Scoring:
"Competitors shall notify the RC of any scoring inquiry by filing a Scoring Inquiry Form available on the ONB. The deadline to file
Under Hearing Requests:
"The time limit for a request for redress based on the outcome of a scoring inquiry is 30 minutes after that outcome has been
Often make times longer for handicap racing.
The important thing is to notify each competitor when the provisional results are published and when the scoring query result is published. I usually use a telegram or WhatsApp group and if using RRS I post a notice to competitors which they will all get via email.
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A boat sees their score and has an issue with it and they file a request for redress. As already noted, the scoring inquiry and RFR contents aren't that much different. The PC should give the RC a copy of the RFR immediately, before any hearing is scheduled, so that they can prepare. The preparation should include rechecking their records. If they find an error based on their own records, they can fix it and go back to the competitor and see if that resolves the issue. If it does then the competitor withdraws the RFR and everyone is happy. If not, a hearing is held. Initially, it won't matter if the RFR is valid, the RC should check the score as a part of their preparation regardless of validity. It seems like we are just adding more layers where time limits etc. are creating more, not less, bureaucracy.