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Continuing Obstruction And “an object”

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Ric Crabbe
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Sorry if this has been brought up before. I did a cursory search and turned up nothing.

A race course runs alongside a marina that contains a series of superyacht slips that are perpendicular to the course. In the high season, every one of the slips is filled with a large yacht. For all intents and purposes, it is a wall on that side of the course that spans 70 meters along side the course.  It is however, made up of multiple individual objects, no single one of which is passed along for more than three hull lengths of the passing boats (as they are passing the bows or sterns of the yachts).  Based on my reading, that’s not a continuing obstruction. Do you agree?

Or to make it ridiculous, I pound a series of pilings two feet apart stretching in a straight line for a kilometer. That is also not a continuing obstruction, right?
Created: 25-Mar-16 04:59

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Greg Wilkins
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A beach is made up of many individual grains of sand, each too small to be an obstruction, let alone a continuing obstruction. I think the combined effect needs to be considered. 


Created: 25-Mar-16 05:42
David Hudson
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I would suggest that if an obstruction is made up of a series of discrete items (vessels, pilings etc) and the boat referred to in the definition can’t safely pass between these items but will pass alongside them for at least three of her hull lengths, then the obstruction is a continuing obstruction. What might be a continuing obstruction for a large yacht might not be a continuing obstruction for an Optimist.
Created: 25-Mar-16 08:40
Qu Chun
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I agree with David Hudson!
Created: 25-Mar-16 10:53
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Angelo Guarino
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Ric, that was actually one of my first threads :-)

Thread Link: Can a series of "obstructions" change into a "continuing obstruction" based on conditions?

Note: It took me a while to wrestle the thread away from criticizing the NOR/SI's for not making the mooring field an exclusion zone.  Once we got past all that, it was a good discussion.
Created: 25-Mar-16 12:22
Phil Pape
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So why not just define the area as a continuing obstruction in the SIs and remove all doubt 
Created: 25-Mar-16 13:16
Jim Champ
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I submit RYA case 1968/11 covers the original post precisely. .

When the nature of a continuing obstruction changes because of a projection or shallows, these features form part of the continuing obstruction, and a boat that has properly established an inside overlap is then entitled to any necessary additional room.

Angelo's discrete objects that are navigable around are a more complex situation, especially as there is inevitably a fuzzy area. Discrete objects less than one boat width apart obviously form a continuing obstruction, objects twenty boat lengths apart surely do not. 

Created: 25-Mar-16 13:32
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Angelo Guarino
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Phil P., that's not the question Ric raises. He isn't asking for assistance to write an NOR/SI.
Created: 25-Mar-16 13:43
Gordon Davies
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 that's not the question Ric raises.
Maybe that is an issue with the question. Declaring the marina as an obstruction, or a line a short distance off the marina does, however, resolve the issue! The SIs should not just declare that the line is an obstruction but also make clear that boats shall not sail across the line. There is no RRS that says that a boat may not cross a line, or enter an area, that is declared as an obstruction.
Created: 25-Mar-16 13:53
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Ric Crabbe
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Phil, I intend to do just that, but still thought a discussion might be interesting, especially in light of the new rules and the three boat length definition.
Created: 25-Mar-16 14:17
Eric Meyn
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I think this falls under the common sense clause that exists only as an implication amongst the rules we as sailors are intended to utilize under the umbrella of good sportsmanship and good seamanship.  If we were to break down every rule to its base elements and account for all nuances, we would need to create a bar exam and hire sea lawyers. I don’t mean to be trite. Of course at some point you deem individual obstructions far enough apart to separate them for the purposes of this rule. But when we are considering multiple expensive and potentially harmful objects in this setting, it seems pretty obvious how we, as sailors, who should be known for our ability to apply common sense (I know, I know) should approach this situation. 
Created: 25-Mar-16 19:15
Jim Champ
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Perhaps I should post the RYA Case as a whole. I think it makes it perfectly clear that structures that are contiguous for navigation, be it shore, brickwork and shallows, as in this Case, or marina structure and projecting yachts, as in the OP, comprise a single obstruction in terms of the rules. Frankly anything else would be more than a little silly. That being the situation declaring the obstruction to be an obstruction in SIs seems at best pointless, and at worst liable to confuse.

 RYA 1968/11
There is no zone at an obstruction to which rule 19 applies. A boat clear astern and required to keep clear is entitled to room if she becomes overlapped between the boat that was clear ahead and a continuing obstruction, as defined, provided that there was room to pass between them when the overlap began. When the nature of a continuing obstruction changes because of a projection or shallows, these features form part of the continuing obstruction, and a boat that has properly established an inside overlap is then entitled to any necessary additional room.
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SUMMARY OF THE FACTS
W established an overlap on L between positions 1 and 2 when L was one and a half to two boat lengths from the shore.
Several boat-lengths ahead, some shallows extended from the shore from a brickwork structure.
W hailed ‘Water’ but L, although acknowledging the hail, made no attempt to give room and W ran aground.
W protested L under rules 19.2(b) and 19.2(c), but the protest committee dismissed the case, stating that W had tried to force a passage between L and the shore, L having been clear ahead when she came within three hull lengths of the obstruction. W appealed.
DECISION
W’s appeal is upheld. She is reinstated, and L is disqualified under rule 19.2(b). 
The shore was a continuing obstruction because the boats would be passing alongside it for at least three of their hull lengths. 
There is no zone at an obstruction - continuing or otherwise - at which rule 19 applies, and so the situation when one of the boats comes within three hull lengths of an obstruction is not relevant. 
Rule 19.2(c) says that the inside boat’s right to establish an overlap between a boat and a continuing obstruction depends on whether there was room, as defined, to pass between the boat that was ahead and the continuing obstruction at the moment the overlap was established. 
When W established her overlap, there was room to pass between L and the shore, and the overlap was therefore properly established. L initially then gave room as required by rule 19.2(b) but ceased to do so when the projecting shallows were reached. These shallows and the adjacent brick structure were part of the continuing obstruction, and W continued to be entitled to room. 
Created: 25-Mar-16 21:10
Rene Nusse
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In my humble opinion, a marina would unambiguously constitute a continuous obstruction. It therefore follows that individual pens occupied or not, form part of that continuous obstruction. It also follows that any yachts occupying their pens will be ancillary to, and therefore form part of that continuous obstruction. In terms of establishing an overlap, I would suggest that it is the start of the marina and not the individual pen or yacht that determines where the continuous obstruction starts and hence where the overlap is established.
Created: 25-Mar-17 00:54
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Niko Kotsatos
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I agree with Jim and Rene. Even a saw-toothed shoreline is a continuing obstruction.
Created: 25-Mar-17 19:53
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Niko Kotsatos
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I agree with Jim and Rene. Even a saw-toothed shoreline is a continuing obstruction.
Created: 25-Mar-17 19:53
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